Pistoleer Archive

Why don't do what they have done to pistoleers.....

Remove some of the bonus in the pistol tree for BH's and increase the bonus to pistol when you become Master BH instead. That means that even BH's have to aquire just as much xp as pistoleers to become, if so, better than us.

I don't care if a Master BH is better than me, just as people stated, that the bonus for one skill box is too big!

I say, move a large amount of the bonus to the master BH skill box.... and my complaints will stop!

There is nothing that a pistoleer can get other than the BH pistoltree (which works both ways of course) which will make him a more dangerous foe to a BH so other than being lame with creatures there is nothing useful a pistoleer can get out of his extra skill points to be more effective against a BH

I don't think they should be more comparable to bounty hunters in PvP, I would want to be better at pistol fighting than them, I mean, I'm a pistol specialist, that's all I use. I would come to expect that they could use some special lightning cannon, carbine, etc. move on me...

...but pistol to pistol, I want to own them.

I always find it funny how BHs come into this forum and compare being a MASTER BH to a master pistoleer. Being a master BH is worthless right now, aside from the title. Compare the skill points needed to be an EXPERT BH (just the BH pistol line) with a master pistoleer.

As someone who is an Expert BH and almost a master pistoleer, my take on it is that being an Expert BH takes more skill points (but not as many as you said in your post!) but is comparable to or better than being a master pistoleer, even post-nerf. The only two specials an Expert BH really would want in pistoleer are pistolwhip (easily gettable with BH and not all that useful in PvP) and disarm2 (which doesn't come until Master pistoleer).

As far as advancement goes, Expert BH was a lot easier for me to get than Master Pistoleer (proof in point -- I'm still two boxes away from Master Pistoleer but have been an Expert BH for a while). Most people pick up the scouting skills anyway, so those aren't wasted points ... and all the scouting xp was ridiculously easy for me to get. Climbing up rifle and carbine was a pain, for me, but it wasn't hard and didn't take long. Once I got those out of the way, I was Expert BH after two 4-5 hour days. All you have to do is climb one line!

Right now all the BHs are mad because they spammed knockdown in PvP and now they can't, and somehow they see pistoleers as the culprits. I used to spam pistolwhip too ... but I'm not wasting my time on the BH forum yapping about it. So just calm down.

Samra Hael
Pistoleer / Scylla
KOTOR

If a BH is better in PvP it should be because he becomes proficient in rifle, carbine and pistol, meaning he can use these weapons well enough to be considered good. A Master Pistoleer has MASTERED the pistol, meaning he should be able to employ that weapon better than any one else who is not a Master Pistoleer. No one should be faster, more accurate, able to do more damage, use more specials with a pistol than a Pistoleer. PERIOD. A BH's combat superiority should come with being able to employ a greater range of weaponry.

A bounty Hunter gets paid to kill ppl, they should be able to kill almost anyone in a one on one fight. I dont think they should be gods but come on. A week to get BH Lmao, yeah right to get 70550 combat xp in a week lmao, and that is just the combat xp it takes to get there. Try the survival tree you have to sit in a tent for 15 min. to get 200 pts in it. It takes a lot of work to get novice BH, not just one little branch in marksman. All BHs are asking for is some kind of credit.

PLC Martin....I have friends in this game. They sat in the tent with me. More people multiplys the survival xp per 6 min tic. Got 600 per tic, then 800 per tic as I climbed survival. Sorry bout all the combat xp you have to get for BH. To get master pistoleer I had to get 415,000 combat xp. I also have the marksman range line at IV. So really, we aren't too different you and I.

Now, for pistoleer. I often PVE with a BH. I do more dmg and fire faster than he does. Fanshot rocks. I can pretty much just run around, standing the whole time, hitting anything I please. I used to be upset about the BH pistol speed and bonus. Not anymore. With all the extra stuff I can do I am quite pleased. Once they get the defensive bonuses working (if they do) I'll rock even more. (I'm a master squad leader so I'll have a +30 to range and melee defense when they get turned on.)

You could do what I did: Master Pistoleer and Bounty Pistol IV.

Certainly, there arerelatively fewskill points remainingfor any progression beyond that point, but that is the price one pays for a shoo-in at that coveted "best pistol-user" status. It essentially diffuses to your play style, and what you want to accomplish with your character. I can vouch for the suitability of this skill cofiguration in combat, specifically in PVP, but it can be quite limiting. The inability to heal often presents a problem, which is my primary argument in favor of dabbling, but that is in no minor way dependent on the player's preference.

With regards to Pistoleers fighting Bounty Hunters in a PVP scenario: it's all relative to who makes the initial attack, usually.

The complaint sounds to me to be more about the efficiency of Eyeshot in comparison to some of the Pistoleer special attacks. I, for one, can say that I find myself using my Pistoleer special attacks more frequently than many of my BH abilities. One of the advantages of combining the two professions is the option to adjust easily to any given opponent. For example, if someone has relatively high mind, I'm less wont to use Eyeshot than I am Disarming Shot 2, or Bodyshot 3, or if I am feeling especially confident, any of the attacks in the PistolGrips and Stances line.

It is more a case of versatility than it is necessarily which profession is "better" with a pistol. If you find yourself unable to best a Bounty Hunter in PVP, then perhaps you are trying the wrong tactics or combination of attacks. Word to the wise: make friends with spices and weapon powerups, as they are designed to give you an edge in just that occasion. Those have a way of more than compensating for whatever imagined inadequacies you are finding with the Pistoleer profession.

Lightduelist:

Master Pistoleer and Bounty Pistol IV is also what I'm going for. Beware though, with no medical skills to speak of, and no trio of Sledge hounds you will notice that although you ARE a pimp with your pistol, you may not be as good of a rounded PvP toon as others.

But like I said, I'm going that line too... I just want to be a TRUE master gunslinger, even if it makes me one-dimentional in PvP.

I'm sure I'll miss being able to enhance myself and heal myself for crazy amounts of HPs... and I know that never having a Rancor will make little tears of sadness form at the corners of my eyes... but I want to be a 'super pistoleer', hehehe.

We understand why our [BH] complaint got you so defensive, but we're just frustrated.

The pistol is the only thing we got, everything else is broken since the last big patch or even prior to it. We apologize if we've said some things we didnt mean but try o understand us.

Thanks for being levelheaded StegOxDarkSeeD.

ok i went to allakhazam.com and crunched some numbers.

a master pistoleer, with the full ranged weapon support tree 3,891,000 pistol and 710,550 combat exp.

a bounty hunter with maxed pistol tree 1,291,000 pistol exp and 70,550 total combat exp.

Now on the balance issue, in theory a pure Master Pistoleer should win in a duel against a BH with just the pistol line complete (if player PvP skills are comparable)

Pure Master Pistoleer vs a Full BH - advantage should be BH, theyhave expended a boat load more time mastering their profession.

Hybrid (insert whatever) + master pistoleer vs. Master BH should be a 50/50, and mainly based on player skill.

IMO getting novice BH seems pretty easy. I took up scout after a week or 2 of playing and already am almost master. Im not going to bother with mastering just getting the skills for now and selling back later, but I do not have to grind any of those skills, they come with the butchering of lil gnorts. The only one I would actually have to work for is the camping one. Now what I do have is novice pistoleer/smuggler/terasand I have the skill points to master all of them. Should be a fun combo. To tell you the truth I could give a rats ass about PvP. It is fun, but I dont freak if I do not pwn all (godI hate 1337 speak)

Now I am all against nerfs except in extream circumstances. from what I read on the boards, some TK's are posting a 5xx ham cost on KD. Thats with vibros, if you do the uneq-KD-eq thing then its like 150. The main complaint they have for that is the low ham cost compaired to other class KD. lol I figure I'll get both, find the one I like better and use that one.

"Hybrid (insert whatever) + master pistoleer vs. Master BH should be a 50/50, and mainly based on player skill."

I cannot agree with that. (any) hybrid + master pistoler vs. Master BH (and the 33 skill points spend) should result in at least an edge for the master BH.

For the same reason you mentioned here:

"Pure Master Pistoleer vs a Full BH - advantage should be BH, theyhave expended a boat load more time mastering their profession."

The time to get from novice to master BH is about the same time you need to master Pistoleer twice.

...just keep that in mind.