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Thread: Best Pistoleer Strategy EVER!
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TenshiHanaKinu
Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:11 pm
#14
Vegita1585 wrote:
That's like saying unless you armorsmith you ca't wear amor and unless you are a weaponsmith you can't use weapons. I don't understand the argument.
OKay. Then I guess we're both back to CDEF's (original one you are given when you start the game) or looted weapons.
Unlike most people, I don't run around saying I am so godly I kick ass because I killed a Doctor (non-Rifle)while buffed or while wearing a ton of armor that someone else made for me. My profession is based entirely around defense & support. Those "158 skill points" are put towards keeping myself and others alive. Included in that is the ability to severely increase my stats. Now, for someone to get buffed up by someone else and then run up to me and say I suck because they stacked all their points into combat (whereas they wouldn't get anywhere without the help of a doctor) and then went around my profession with constant eyeshots / headshots while my counter is to hit HAM they have had buffed and topped with mega armor is like attacking a WeaponSmith / Armorsmith and saying they sucked even though they used weapons made by the Armorsmith/Weaponsmith.
But then again, I , in general, respect my opponents and people for who they are. I am not insulting or degrading to others.
But hey, wanna go bare, that's fine.
Message Edited by TenshiHanaKinu on 07-29-2004 07:27 PM
MCOFyrebyrd
Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:28 am
#15
Kind of hard to be a pistoleer without any pistoleer skills.
Hoborg
Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:25 am
#16
Sleksheea wrote:
Drop all gimpoleer skills and pick up rifleman or a melee profession... ANY melee profession.
Trust me, gimpoleer is a waste of skillpoints, I'm pissed that I made the mistake of mastering it.
All broken specials (going on over a year now), super low damage, slower than rifleman, and about zero accuracy. I miss anything?
Stragety? Good job public schools!
TashunkaSapa
Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:25 am
#17
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
You're welcome any day of the week to come after me without Buffs since I see no Doctor in your Template. After all, your template seems to be based around speed and offense. So obviously you wouldn't need buffs to take out a healer, now would you? Bring all other defensive measures you want, but make sure not to be buffed. Really, it shouldn't be difficult for you to beat me, should it?
It probably wouldn't. Even with the best buffs, you still have less HAM than any level 31 bounty mark - I've fought plenty of them unarmored and unbuffed. And even the best Stim-Ds won't work if you are knocked on your backside. Hell, I'd be glad to fight you bare-knuckles in my shorts, or with a CDEF.
But, assuming you COULD beat me... then what in the hell are you whining about? Play the class you want and stop expecting that anyone else should be concerned that it's not as powerful as what you want it to be. I'm a gunfighter, you're a Doctor... why do you feel so insecure about your e-panis?
The REAL issue is that you are a Healer with pistol skills - not the other way around. Master Doctor indicates an investment of 140 skill points, Master Pistoleer 92. Do you truly EXPECT that to be a good "pistoleer strategy"?
You may not have read the title of the thread, or the (stupid) first post, but the topic is "What's a good strategy for a Pistoleer?" and my answer is simple and self-evident: If you want to be more effective in Pistol combat, pick up skills from other professions that supplement those skills and make one a more formidibale gunfighter.
But if you as a Master Doc/Master Pistoleer, want to be as effective in combat as a Master Pistoleer with BH Pistol 4 and Dirty Fighting 4, then the only way that's going to happen is if you use your head.
So maybe you don't like my strategy, that's fine... what's your plan? 
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
Sleksheea
Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:17 pm
#18
Hoborg wrote:
Sleksheea wrote:
Drop all gimpoleer skills and pick up rifleman or a melee profession... ANY melee profession.
Trust me, gimpoleer is a waste of skillpoints, I'm pissed that I made the mistake of mastering it.
All broken specials (going on over a year now), super low damage, slower than rifleman, and about zero accuracy. I miss anything?
Stragety? Good job public schools!
LOL... that got me laughing... I didn't catch that. Fixed.
Sleksheea
Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:37 pm
#19
OK, the basic point here is that Master Pistoleer alone is totally gimp. It only becomes viable if you pick up the BH pistol line and Smuggler pistol line. Compare Master Pistoleer vs Master TKA/Swordsman/Rifleman/Fencer/Any other specialty combat class (with the same skillpoint investment... as in unstacked with a second combat class), and the pistoleer will almost always loose. For example, All a Master pistoleer gets is an accuracy rating of 70,and state effects (except a nerfed health bleed). Master TKA has an accuracy rating of 205, intimidate, Knock Down, Dizzy, stun, blind, warcry, and can target any pool he wants. Not to mention he can buff up with powerboost, meditate off poisons and disease and heal all his own wounds, and use force of will causing the pistoller to practically have to kill him twice. Same skillpoints used, huge difference in ability. Even if you compare pistoleer with rifleman or carbineer, it's really no contest. They still get KD/Dizzy, more powerfull bleed shots, state effects, targeting the mind, much more powerfull weapons that can shoot as fast or faster. The 3rd branch in the pistoleer has nice state effect defences... but thoes are way overated. Even with high defence vs dizzy for example, the attacker only has to hit you a few more times usually to eventually get it to stick. What kind of ranged defence does pistoleer get? (LOL-like none). Dodge is debatably broken/bugged. The most damaging special over time sits in the novice pistoller box (healthshot2). The only other specials that workare stopping shot(very slow, highHAM shot, lower damage multiplier than last ditch) and fanshot (for a lower damage multiplier than stopping shot but in a narrow cone effect). I guess you could say body shot 2&3 work, butusing them is pointless considering their damage multiplierandrate of fire (again health shot2outdamages both of these). Like I said, it should be renamed to "Master Gimpoleer"... as that is exactly what it is.
P.S. for the record, I was messing my pants when I dropped pistoleer for TKA. Even at NOVICE TKA, I was 3x more powerfull than as a master pistoleer. At novice TKA, I was soloing whole lairs of rancors... as master pistoleer taking down just one rancor was i-f-f-y (after running away and coming back after healing myself multiple times).
And don't forget, I'm talking about these professions BY THEM SELVES, not stacked with anyother professions.
Message Edited by Sleksheea on 07-30-2004 01:41 PM
TenshiHanaKinu
Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:09 pm
#20
TashunkaSapa wrote:
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
You're welcome any day of the week to come after me without Buffs since I see no Doctor in your Template. After all, your template seems to be based around speed and offense. So obviously you wouldn't need buffs to take out a healer, now would you? Bring all other defensive measures you want, but make sure not to be buffed. Really, it shouldn't be difficult for you to beat me, should it?
It probably wouldn't. Even with the best buffs, you still have less HAM than any level 31 bounty mark - I've fought plenty of them unarmored and unbuffed. And even the best Stim-Ds won't work if you are knocked on your backside.Try keeping me "on my backside". And I don't use Stimpack D's. I use Stimpack E's. I have the ability to reverse every state, and every DOT, unlike your NPC opponents.
Hell, I'd be glad to fight you bare-knuckles in my shorts, or with a CDEF.
But, assuming you COULD beat me... then what in the hell are you whining about? You want to insult my use of 158 skill points that you probably receive aid from, so I am challenging you to a fight to prove it.
Play the class you want and stop expecting that anyone else should be concerned that it's not as powerful as what you want it to be.With me it's not a matter of wanting power, it's a matter of wanting balance. There is no balance versus mindhits, and there should be.
I'm a gunfighter, you're a Doctor... why do you feel so insecure about your e-panis? What the f*ck!?
The REAL issue is that you are a Healer with pistol skills - not the other way around. Master Doctor indicates an investment of 140 skill points, Master Pistoleer 92. Do you truly EXPECT that to be a good "pistoleer strategy"? I expect to be good at healing and defense & support. Not to be a target for every "n00b" to hit their win-all "mindhit" button. Like Jedi I want my "ability" pool untargetable so that PvP is based on skill, not on "who hits who's mind bar "betterer and fasterer". Perhaps you can't see that, seeing as you probably sit there with your finger up your nose spamming eyeshot all day.
You may not have read the title of the thread, or the (stupid) first post, but the topic is "What's a good strategy for a Pistoleer?" and my answer is simple and self-evident: If you want to be more effective in Pistol combat, pick up skills from other professions that supplement those skills and make one a more formidibale gunfighter. And do you think with all that "formidability" you can beat me without using just using Eyeshot? Do you think laying flames (reversed), dizzy (reversed), bleeds (reversed) or blind (reversed) or anything else will really work? I'm not an NPC. I sacrificed offense for defense. Your "formidability" is based around a currently unbalanced system -- that is your ability to target an unhealable pool without penalty. It isn't that you can "overwhelm" my healing abilities, as it will require in the new system. But I'll have called for / run for help by that time.
But if you as a Master Doc/Master Pistoleer, want to be as effective in combat as a Master Pistoleer with BH Pistol 4 and Dirty Fighting 4, then the only way that's going to happen is if you use your head. No, I want the ability to defend&heal myself while I run from my opponent and get someone who IS a combat monkey to fight you. That's what support characters do. Right now, though, you just have to hit /follow & spam Eyeshot. Nothing I can do about it.
So maybe you don't like my strategy, that's fine... what's your plan?
Rebster
Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:21 pm
#21
Lighten up people doc/pistoleer is someones choice because they pay to play there way. someone has pistoleer + bh + smuggler +commando because they pay to play there way also. But tbh if people want to do pistoleer and advance there play with there 158 points so be it at the end of the day its a game you dont like it bugger off if you do keep at it and be happy
PoopyStuff101
Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:22 pm
#22
"Kind of hard to be a pistoleer without any pistoleer skills"
It's Kind of hard to be a pistoller WITH pistoller skills.
Sleksheea
Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:45 pm
#23
PoopyStuff101 wrote:
"Kind of hard to be a pistoleer without any pistoleer skills"
It's Kind of hard to be a pistoller WITH pistoller skills.
AMEN!
Sleksheea
Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:31 pm
#24
i beat rifles every day....not even a fair fight.
how? stay closer than 60 meters.
broken specials and all.
Liani
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Uh hugh... and I also suppose your a combat medic? TKA? You convienantly forgot to state the rest of your profession... I'm sure your only combat skills are not just master pistoleer.
Message Edited by Sleksheea on 07-30-2004 04:32 PM
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