Pistoleer Archive

"dps is only good if u hit every time if u rarly hit u want high max damage so u do lots when u do hit "

that is the WoW philosophy. And for now, I stand with it.

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Darth-Kevlar wrote:

Honestly it is doubtfull.

It's like the following scenario, I have a bazooka..can hit you for 3100 dmg, but each shothas a interval of 3 seconds, you have a rifle, can hit for 1600 but fires at 1.5 interval. we both have 3000 hps. I shot, you shot. who wins? me, since i killed at first shot.

Who had higher dps? you.

Problem here is average... but if one looks at the combat log, you'll always hit each different lvl monster for almost the same damage when using a special.So altough my mdps with my Ad. Scatter is atm 756, the advanced critical shot on a 80 lvl monster is always ~1400,,, but with my de-10 (mdps 728) the same special produces 1600 dmg . Considering that due to my pistol speed +general speed ( almost 150) i can hitvery fast with both weapons ( 0.82 and 0.94 secs if i'm not mistaken) , themdps value starts to pale a bit, specially if one considers that shotting faster = reducing action bar extremely fast.

Any way, I'm not dogmatic and this is the result of my empiric experience with the CU once i got more than 120 speed.

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What is the base dps of these guns, and what is your total speed, 150 or 120.

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Jpshaff01 wrote:

yeah thats what i thought, i'm starting to debate if i should still do 0003 cm. I'm sure paralyze is gonna get a big nerf. But you know how swg treats that stuff, takes forever if they ever fix it.

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The exploit is with Improved Paralyze at Master CM, not Paralyze at Bio Warfare III, that still breaks on damage.

I wouldn't advertise the fact that you are going to use it either.

I have a renegade pistol i bought for 10k a day after the cu went live that gives me a modified dps of 477, thats with Master smugger, Master BH and pistols 0031. I also have a normal (not featherweight) fwg5 that gives about 490. Neither of these guns have any special components, they are just plain weaponsmith made ones with slices (both about 8% ish damage from what i remember). I tend to prefer the renegade over the fwg5 as it seems to be more useful overall in terms of damgage/action usage etc. I also have an advanced scatter that gives me about 470 which had a small (about 3% speed slice). All three of these guns were crafted post cu. Id say a 555 dps pistol is very nice comparitively, but in the new system i would also suggest that special attack cost might be more important than it was in a pre cu world, and a small differnce in dps might be worth it for a high accuracty bonus, or cheap action cost etc.

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BadgerSmaker wrote:

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Jpshaff01 wrote:

yeah thats what i thought, i'm starting to debate if i should still do 0003 cm. I'm sure paralyze is gonna get a big nerf. But you know how swg treats that stuff, takes forever if they ever fix it.

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The exploit is with Improved Paralyze at Master CM, not Paralyze at Bio Warfare III, that still breaks on damage.

I wouldn't advertise the fact that you are going to use it either.

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all i did was state the fact that paralyze is overpowered. Never said anything about an exploit

I have a 726 dps FWG5 and a 744 dps DL44, the action cost for both are huge to say the least, 119and 114 I think, there higher than my T21. There is food now that give +200 action regen so I will be a slave to the food now.

with the bugs in startle shot still I'm not sure it will be a problem, do startle shot then root and I can sit the for over 10 secs while my action regens if I have to. Just got these pistols today so I havn't tested them in PVP yet but they worked great on gurks.

I'm BH 4040 master rifle/pistol

I have a 450 modified dpsdl44 XT with 66 action cost (unpupped) and i use it more than my 116 action cost 830 modified dps scatter.

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Jpshaff01 wrote:

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Darth-Kevlar wrote:

I'm not on my home computer so can't be exact.

my total speed atm with tapes should be 148, without tapes is 130. After 140 speed i noticed that the increase in speed by skills starts to have what i would call "diminuitive returns", meqning that it decreases the speed by small fractions of second, while the affect over slower weapons is slightly more noticeble. One example was that, when i had 137 speed, the difference in MDPS between the scatter and the de-10 was about 40 dps more to the scatter... now with almost 150 speed , the dps difference is just 23 or 24.

The base the dps of the scatter I don't know honestly. Have to check it at home. It's a pre nerf krayted scatter that got a 28% dmg slice like 2 years ago, and had Pre CU about 500 max dmg powered up with speed bellow 2.0. The max damage now is around 920 but it's one of the fastest pistols I own currently.

the de-10 has, if i recall correctly, 360 base dps. Max damage clean is 971, the speed honestly i don't know, but pre-CU had 3.1 ( most de-10 had around between 3.4 and 3.6 secs) and 72X dmg once damage sliced and powered up. From all the +950 dmg de-10 I own ( and i own 5 or 6) it is still the fastest one by at least 0.2 secs ( if not 0,25) .

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Where are you getting all that extra speed, i have 105 speed just from MBH MP, have +18 in speed tapes and +45 in accuracy. Your scatter must have gotten more love than mine. Mine was .6 560 max powered pre-cu, now its 317 base DPS. Well i have some 150 tissues going into a scatter and republic, also got some 198's i'm gonna put in a scatter too. I wanna figure out if the speed on my weapon is even worth getting experimented on once i get my total of +50 speed tapes goal. I'llprobably add the FS ranged speed to that also lol.

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Ouchie.. I just did a run of 50 Scatters using pre-CU handler/Barrel and they came out at 314, sold 9 at 30k first day, bumped to 100k and sold the rest of the crate, bumped it to 150k today. I'm thinking you paid a bit more than 150k for that . I got hit bad on conversions too, as I was a collector of high end weapons I coudln't match.