Pistoleer Archive
Thread: How are BH's bad off?
Zeriab, so what you are saying is that anyone who chose a broken profession and wants it to be fixed, is basically a whiner. So, people who chose a profession that they thought would be great and they really want to play have no right to complain about their profession being broke? What about Squad Leaders, Pikeman, Chef's, or DE's?
Im sorry not every profession is as perfect as the Pistoleer profession, but that still does not mean that we aren't entitled to have our own problems heard.
I guess we should all drop our profession and go Pistoleer, because unlike other professions they never complain about the problems with their profession./sarcasm
BH should be highly skilled (more so in PVP and PvNPC) to take down humanoid targets...
Pistoleer should find the balance in PVP and PVE.
We should not be as good as the BH in PvP...hands down (I was a 3.4.4.4) Bounty Hunters are trained to kill people and that's it..that's what they do, thats what they enjoy doing, thats what they get paid to do.
The LLC is an awesome weapon, the damage output is amazing...very true...they need it. When I became a novice BH, my first mark conned red to me. I only took him down because I used tactics. The good BH's use those tactics and damage to take down their marks.
Pistoleer is more about PvE, then PvP second. We are a more balanced, and stable class. I would never want either profession nerfed...only fixed so that the distinction between BH and pistoleer can COMPLEMENT and not imitate the other.
Laeren said:
"I've been told that I've got one of the better PvE templates around from the people I group with. Yet, a BH who dabbles in CH can top it fairly easily...
But on the PvE front, BH's still rock. So I'm saying that maybe it's not as bad as you think...?"
First off the best I can do in CH is 1/1/0/0 which of course once the changes go through will be worth nothing.
Secondly I do not have too many problems with PvE, just takes me A LOT longer. Part of the reason though is I soloed most of the game, so got pretty decent in using bleeds and kiting/warning shot. Heck, HS1 + HS2 + Torso Shot will bleed 9K HAM in its entirety.
Third your template rocks for PvE. I had partied with an MCH/Master Medic/Doctor (dont know how far) on Dantoine, doing level 89 missions for 38-40K. It was great. He had a rancor, a merek, and another pet out (I think a GSP) to tank. I was going wild with my specials and he was healing me after every few shots 
. We were averaging 2 missions every 20-30 minutes. Very decent payoff.
When they lowered the HAM usage for KD, they lowered them on everyone except for pistoleer.
Bolanos, have you ever played any class besides a pistoleer? Because your argument is so pistoleer centric its disturbing.....
Go ask ANY carbineer if thier ham costs were lowered, they will laugh right in your face.....
With a Snub knose carbine and a 31% action power up, my Action cost for a KD is still 120 Ish.....On average I hit by leg shot 2's for 130....That means I basicly do a special to myself every time I shoot.
I wont even get into how poor carbineers got screwed with this change......I can not belive you actually just said that 
....Thats all I needed to hear.
Tanks wrote:
The reason I made the comment is I can NOT use my carbine specials more then once or twice with my carbine due to HAM costs (unless I am buffed). Therefore my comment is justified. You were the one that made the damage vs HAM cost comment. So, according to your comment my carbine specials should cost less HAM then any pistol attacks. Oh! yeah my laser carbine has more listed damage then my scatter.
Where did I say that a Bounty Hunter's CarbineSpecialcosts less then any Pistol special? I said that Carbine KD special's HAM cost was REDUCED, by half if I am correct, while the KD for pistoleer's was left at the nerfed high cost level. That does not say that Carboneer's pay less ham for specials then pistoleer's, that means that they where unnerfed while pistoleer's kept the nerf. Read before you comment please, it will put an end to these useless arguements.
If your Laser Carbine listed more damage then your scatter then drop that pistoleer 0,0,3,0 and take up carboneer's best special, then come back and tell me that you hit for more with a pistoleer special then you do a carboneer special and you'll see how wrong you are. That's like me saying that I hit for more with stopping shot then I do with marksman mindshot when I use a rifle, your compairing an elite special with a non elite special. Elite professions, Carboneer, rifleman, pistoleer, should have more damage hits, or higher modifier hits, then a hybrid profession such as Bounty Hunter. What makes Bounty Hunter's so powerful is their diversity and weapons, such as the LLC, Eye shot (non healable pool, blind, and second best Targeted mind pool shot only to rifleman's), Torsol shot (fire dot plus the best TARGETED Health ham shot for pistol's). Although not the highest damaging specials (although the LLC is the most damaging weapon I have seen so far), they are by far one of the best damaging specials that actually work in the game. Any pistoleer will gladly give you their double tap, disarm shot, bodyshot3....actually, I'll give you all those three for torsol shot! About the only hybrid that doesn't follow that line is Smuggler with it's last ditch which is 6x modifier? I think? But I guess being smuggler and a last ditch effort which is suppose to cost alot of ham I can see it, smuggler's are like the mofia, they know painful way's of killing you, I never dealt much with that special though so I might be wrong /shrug.
Stop whining, you have it good. The only thing I see broken is your investigation line. meanwhile you have Wepps asking for LLC to be considered as a rifle with rifle specials (yea, 14k mind shots in PvE, sure), tracking as good or better then ranger's? Defenses as good as TKA's, accuracy while moving like pistoleer's, heck, if it's up to him just eliminate all professions and make BH the only combat class. is that what you want to Tanks?
I'm sorry for the second post but you really have me thinking. Where did I say this?
"You were the one that made the damage vs HAM cost comment. So, according to your comment my carbine specials should cost less HAM then any pistol attacks."
The only other comment I made on HAM cost was this:
"Remember, the ham cost is higher, but your damage is higher as well. Our ham cost is lower but our damage is MUCH lower as well. I say MUCH lower and not just lower because speed is screwed up, which gives carbines and rifle's an advantage over the pistol's since our only weapon that kept us in the mix is being nerfed to the stone age."
If your trying to skew this around by compairing pistoleer's best special to an average special for carbines, then your off base, it's like compairing a CDEF to a Scatter pistol. So where did you read me say that?
I was master swordman (Did it kites Biz natch lairs before they were fixed lol).
I deleted him because he was skinny and because i kind of fell into it and really actually wants to be smuggler or BH.
I went smuggler met a master smuggler he apped me and i made master in 2 weeks, he was also master pistoleer made that in 3 weeks.
then i made the smugglera BH, because panic was broken and i snapped.
Ive been Bh for 2 months now and STILL am not master. At master a dirtyfighter/pistoleer could own me, AND still have major defese mods, AND heals will skill points to spare.
Obviously the pistoleers of this day and age failed math, count the SPs. You dont even meet us half way. That to me is called a noobie. Thats a level 50 vs a level 20 in my book and anyone elses with a brains book, you should get pollyleveledcapice? Am i specking clear enough for you pistoleers? O thats right you took a easy proffesion and have only been playing this game a short time with your display of game knowledge i can tell ,its okay youll get better. Ta ta for now. =-)
Bolanos said:
"Remember, the ham cost is higher, but your damage is higher as well. Our ham cost is lower but our damage is MUCH lower as well. I say MUCH lower and not just lower because speed is screwed up, which gives carbines and rifle's an advantage over the pistol's since our only weapon that kept us in the mix is being nerfed to the stone age.
If your trying to skew this around by compairing pistoleer's best special to an average special for carbines, then your off base, it's like compairing a CDEF to a Scatter pistol. So where did you read me say that?"
OK, you are actually making my point. If the BH carbine specials are average (which take same amount of exp. as Stopping shot btw), then they should cost less HAM like pre-KD nerf days not more. And seeing that you are comparing damage vs HAM cost. If the "average" carbine special is costing more HAM then "the best" Pistolleer special, then again the HAM cost is not justified.
Also, the best Pistoleer special is Fan shot at this time I believe. It was great when I had it.
Ya fan or stopping, tech 3 and 4 do insane damage the both of them at FAST speeds. Dont you understand my billy the kid wannabe friends? LLC is nothing, it hits health not mind with no DoT, and its slow as molasis.
Dont talk about a proffession intill youve been that proffesion. I hate CMs i never mention what i dont like about them because ive never been one.
"Ya fan or stopping, tech 3 and 4 do insane damage the both of them at FAST speeds. Dont you understand my billy the kid wannabe friends? LLC is nothing, it hits health not mind with no DoT, and its slow as molasis."
Ummm **edit** are you talking about. Stopping shot and fanshot are both also random ham shots with no DoT. The fact is LLC2 can hit for about 5x more damage than stopping shot or fan shot. Sure its slow as hell but learn to use your carbine kd's to set it up.
Tanks wrote:
OK, you are actually making my point. If the BH carbine specials are average (which take same amount of exp. as Stopping shot btw), then they should cost less HAM like pre-KD nerf days not more. And seeing that you are comparing damage vs HAM cost. If the "average" carbine special is costing more HAM then "the best" Pistolleer special, then again the HAM cost is not justified.
Also, the best Pistoleer special is Fan shot at this time I believe. It was great when I had it.
Your compairing your KD to a special that has no KD on it? a special with KD or stat changes will cost more, it's obvious.
Once again, you CANNOT compair an elite professions special ham cost with that of a hybrid, you must compaire it to another ELITE profession, especially when your compairing HAM costs. Hybrids are exceptions to the rules as I pointed out earlier. The math is there, BH isn't the only profession regardless of what you or wepps want to believe.