Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why did we get handed the short end of the stick...
What, all or specials work? So you're telling me that Melee Defence2 works, as good let alone better then melee defence1? You are going to tell me that disarming shots 1 and 2 do ANYTHING other then random pool damage to the target? And both in pve and in pvp? You are going to tell me that fanshot does at it is describes, and hits MULTIPLE TARGETS? No, they don't all work actually.
Tlk wrote:
I agree, a master bounty hunter will win if you are not buffed and unarmored. But you need to understand that none of the pistoleer specials are broken (many are redundant, but all elite combat professions have redundant specials) and none are useless. They may not be the high damage many players want, and with the speed cap all the other elite professions are hitting as fast or near as fast as pistoleers. But with the combat balance we may become viable in a PvP, 1 on 1 duel. Personally, no single elite combat professional should be able to beat a master bounty hunter, commando or jedi. The whole point of pistoleers is fast, low damage in the close range to mid range attack zone (they keep the attackers away from your long range high damage players), that is why we have outstanding defenses. My advise to any pistoleer that wants to dish out damage in solo PvPis to pick up the pistol tree in bounty hunter or change professions.
Message Edited by Squidwalker on 05-25-2004 10:26 AM
ViithSamoor wrote:
I'm a master pistoleer/master smuggler. I beat a master pistoleer/ bh pistols4 guy. It's all about timing, tactics and picking your spot
With BH pistols 4 alone I was able to beat teranus 75% of the time with his master pistoleer using JUST pistols, and I far and away admit that he is far better at combat than I am.....
Interestingly though I won more often when we were both unbuffed than when we were buffed... as I moved up the pistoleer tree it became harder for him to make any serious dent against me.
Having JUST the pistols line in BH should NOT give you more speed and standing accuracy than a master pistoleer... a BH is a profession that has many weapons, and as a result should be -good- at each of them but not MASTER of them...
The pistoleer profession at LEAST should have access to the pistols specials of BH... that would go a log way towards balancing the playing field between a 0040 BH and a master pistoleer.
Yes "SquidWalker" all those specials you mentioned work. They do not do the same thing as the descriptions imply, but that does not eman tehy don't work. Pistol melee defense 2 does more dmg than pistol melee defense 1 (it does not knock down which is what most players want). Yes fanshot hits multiple targets in a cone in a specific area (and works very well). Disarm shot does double dmg on lairs, and stationary targets with 1 being a single shot adn 2 being an AoE attack. Again both specials work, the description indicates what the special at one time was going to do, but they work differently. So the specials for pistoleers all work. The descriptions for those specials are inaccurate, there is a world of difference between those two points. As a community we need to stop saying we are a broken profession (we are not, we are at a disadvantage in solo PvP, that is it), rather state what improvements we would like to see.
As for PvP and PvE, we are weak in PvP I do not dispute that, but many elite professions are weak in PvP as a single elite profession, you need to add something with the other 100+ skill points. In PvE, pistoleers are very successful solo and in groups. I am finding more and more players only want to play this game solo. Solo PvP and solo PvE. With this play style there are going to be numerous difficulties for people, as all they really want is to be able to dish out enormous damage in a short amount of time. There are reasons to be a pistoleer and reasons to be a rifleman other than the artwork. Hopefully the combat rebalance will impart more of a purpose tothe game and each profession.
As for the original post, I will restate, with all things equal a Master BH should beat a Pistoleer (in my opinion).
Message Edited by Tlk on 05-25-2004 01:45 PM
Message Edited by Tlk on 05-25-2004 01:47 PM
Message Edited by Tlk on 05-25-2004 01:52 PM
Press_Play wrote:
I was looking and i have done almost every skill between both my characters...
and i noticed that i could beat a master pistoleer as a bh 0-0-4-0
Now that im sticking with master pistoleer I think it is unfair that it is all a bh has to do to become better than a master pistoleer....all of our specials are redundent, broken, or just plain stupid...(point blank single lol) the only professions that find them self useful in pvp are those that can attack mind or pull a DoT or a state affecting shot..i mean maybe its just me but all of our professions attack the same pool for the same damage, and the rest dont really do anything lol...but hey like i said maybe im the only one that is bothered by this
The fact that Mind Damage is being changed to "Mind affecting stability" and the Combat Rebalance makes me think that the score may be evened up yet...
Ariven wrote:
ViithSamoor wrote:
I'm a master pistoleer/master smuggler. I beat a master pistoleer/ bh pistols4 guy. It's all about timing, tactics and picking your spot
With BH pistols 4 alone I was able to beat teranus 75% of the time with his master pistoleer using JUST pistols, and I far and away admit that he is far better at combat than I am.....
Interestingly though I won more often when we were both unbuffed than when we were buffed... as I moved up the pistoleer tree it became harder for him to make any serious dent against me.
Having JUST the pistols line in BH should NOT give you more speed and standing accuracy than a master pistoleer... a BH is a profession that has many weapons, and as a result should be -good- at each of them but not MASTER of them...
The pistoleer profession at LEAST should have access to the pistols specials of BH... that would go a log way towards balancing the playing field between a 0040 BH and a master pistoleer.
Indeed, BH should be good fighters because they mastered ALL the tricks of the trade, not just a single skill.
Well I agree that our specials are broken, but it can be done... I'm a master smuggler/master pistoleer/master tka
but I do not like who BH can over lap a master pistoleer in 4 skill levels
SamuraiZed wrote:Well I agree that our specials are broken, but it can be done... I'm a master smuggler/master pistoleer/master tka
but I do not like who BH can over lap a master pistoleer in 4 skill levels
But to be fair, a master dancer has more melee defense than a master bounty hunter
I think that the pistoleer should get the BH pistols specials, the carbineer get the BH carbine specials and the commando get the LLC and LLC specials.. the bh should be a combo class that is truly a combat class.. not a class with exclusive skills..
Ariven wrote:
I think that the pistoleer should get the BH pistols specials, the carbineer get the BH carbine specials and the commando get the LLC and LLC specials.. the bh should be a combo class that is truly a combat class.. not a class with exclusive skills..
That's not a good idea. That removes everything special about BH. It would change from Bounty Hunter to Extreme Dabbler. I most certainly DON'T want all the specials given away like that. It's just not right. That's not how the game is supposed to work.
"Pistol melee defense 2 does more dmg than pistol melee defense 1 (it does not knock down which is what most players want)."
Um... no. OK, have a skill that knocksdown, or one that doesn't.... I don't know who you're talking to, but that's not what most players want. If they really are just different and 2 isn't intedned to be better than 1, then they should call them Pisotl Melee defense A and B. One is higher on a tree and has a higher number. As skills go in that progression, they improve somehow, without getting worse, except for HAM costs. PMD2 isn't working.