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Thread: What is wrong with Pistoleer?

Brutt
Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:54 am
#1

I was gonna become Pistoleer but ive seen that every body is nagging about SOE to fix the Pistoleer proffession so i ask you what exactly is wrong with this proffession?



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thermaldetonat0r
Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:01 am
#2

For the most part our specials are broken and have been for some time now. Don't get me wrong, pistoleer is great for PvE. One of our "broken" specials creams lairs (disarming2)! But for PvP we can't really compete without the BH or Smuggler pistols lines. Even then you'll need some good quality armour and food.

I've been a pistoleer since my first day and will probably be a pistoleer on my last.
RazorBlade79
Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:17 am
#3

I would add that in addition we are slower and less accurate than Rifleman in any distance to the target, we have only AP0 and 1 weapons and no real role in groups (neither are we the damage dealer nor the crowd control nor the supporter or the tank-nothing really.) All we can do is deal (health-)damage and (meele) KD, but we aren't very good at it.

That's why I dropped master until the allmighty CB.



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Imperiai2
Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:03 pm
#4

Cha-ching, cakins.


The two most useful, or at least one of the most useful pistol specials, Low-Blow, is in Smuggler's Dirty Fighting. I think though in a way this rewards who want to have a more 'realistic' smuggler. I think it really makes it right now so your smuggler will be quick and deadly. I mean really... can you really quick-draw your rifle while cheating at Sabaac in a seedy casino? Granted we don't have to deal with that in the game, I think it's a realistic concept. Obviously you will go for a pistol in that situation. If you want to me a Rifleman, etc, while smuggler, that's cool. I just think the main weapon for a smuggler should be pistol.



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Brutt
Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:00 am
#5

Not the Dmg doers? but if a Rifleman uses 6sec to load and does 1000dmg and pistoleer uses 2sec and does 400dmg doesnt that make pistoleer supirior? specially if the rifleman misses?



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Cakins7005
Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:44 am
#6

"What is wrong with Pistoleer?"


Simple,the best pistol special attacks are not in Pistoleer.




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Kalano
Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:57 am
#7






Brutt wrote:
Not the Dmg doers? but if a Rifleman uses 6sec to load and does 1000dmg and pistoleer uses 2sec and does 400dmg doesnt that make pistoleer supirior? specially if the rifleman misses?






Um....Rifleman doesn't take 6 sec to load, they are just as fast or faster than us. So they do the 1kdmg/s while we are doing the 400dmg/sec.


We only get the 400dmg if we use specials with a high damage pistol, butwe lose a lot in speed. Rifles could kill us outright without a special.


Are only weapon that might hurt someone, if we got lucky, has AP0, lowest dmg, and slowest speed. The lucky part is if they have no armor, not buffed, and almost dead.




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Brutt
Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:31 am
#8

So should i go Rifleman instead of pistoleer?



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Abai
Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:32 am
#9






Cakins7005 wrote:

"What is wrong with Pistoleer?"


Simple,the best pistol special attacks are not in Pistoleer.








Actually if only the combat system would work as supposed then LD would not be so powerfull compared to other pistol specials. Yes it is powerfull damagewise, but it should be more slow than the situation is... again compared to other pistol specials. Yes Low blow is the only ranged attack, but honestly I feel that stopping shot at least should have an effect that folows the name... e.g. a delay on your opponent or knockdown.


So yes the best pistol attacks are currently not in pistoleer and the reason for that is that they are more or less broken.


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Aeden
Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:30 am
#10

Lemme throw more wood on the fire...broken specials and no where near enough speed or accuracy without BH pistol line to compete in PvP.

Don't even say smuggler shots cuz w/o the BH modifiers or millions in skill tapes you won't be able to hit defensive minded Pvpers enough to kill them. I know cuz I've been BH/pistoleer = good and Pistoleer w/Smuggler shots = bad - dropped it cuz its lame - you can still kill peeps don't get me wrong but top notch PvPers will laugh as you miss again and again ( adding speed and accuracy to smuggler shot line sure would make sense though wouldn't it? )

Course you could spend millions on a nice DOT pistol that would help you...

So spend millions or take BH pistols to be viable in PvP.


Good things about pistoleer? Solid defenses that stack nicely with some other professions.


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RSQViper
Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:46 pm
#11

My template is: Master Pistoleer/ Master Smuggler/ Bounty Hunter 4000

Every time I fight now I kneel. I am not pressing kneel, it just makes me kneel. I even fight guildies that are using range attack only. I do not attack them and what happens? The system forces me to kneeling.

What is worse is I cannot stand back up until combat is completely over.

On top of these problems, when I try to use a special I get the "click, click" sound. I don't even have to be attacking, and auto-attack is off with a full action bar and it clicks like I cannot attack at all. It then does not do the attack. This happens for all my attacks that I have noticed.

This is totally stopping me from playing any type of combat at the moment. I can't even hunt with my guildies because I can't do anything and I am so frustrated in trying to fight that I have stopped completely.

Does anyone know what this is? is this happening to anyone else? What is the source?

I have also switched up weapons. Like the Tangle, FWG5 and my Reneegade.

Message Edited by RSQViper on 06-16-2005 07:49 PM



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RSQViper
Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:55 pm
#12

OMG!!!!!!!!

I just figured out what was happening!!!

Not sure how, but it happened. My default attack somehow became kneel. But kneel is way back in toolbar 6 that I never use. I almost always type it out.

I was going to go remove it in case it was something like it was a loop that was hosed, but there was the check mark. OMG...

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BadgerSmaker
Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:30 pm
#13

You're not the first person I've heard of that happening to. Kneel getting set as the default attack that is... sounds like a random bug.



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