Pistoleer Archive
Thread: How The Top 4 Combat Classes Stack up Against Each other!
http://swg.allakhazam.com/db/skills.html?swgprof=27
Carbineer's Mods:
http://swg.allakhazam.com/db/skills.html?swgprof=10
Rifleman's Mods:
http://swg.allakhazam.com/db/skills.html?swgprof=29
Bounty Hunter's Mods:
http://swg.allakhazam.com/db/skills.html?swgprof=9 From
this looks, seems that Pistoleer is only 1 behind the BH in total Pistol speed.
I would see why the carbineers are saying BH are better, double speed, thats a big wow!
Pistoleer gets more defense then any other of the other classes here.
More speed for Pistoleer then carbineer by almost double, and just under rifleman.
Pistoleer gets more accuracy bonuses then Carbineer, and almost more then Rifleman.
Rifleman gets the most ranged and melee bonus and speed bonuses.
Pistoleer gets the most knockdowns and anti-PVP skills and defense bonuses and decent speed bonuses.
Carbineer has the most accuracy. Lowest speed and defense of all 3.
Pistoleer beats BH in accuracy bonuses, from all angles, but a little bit in overall. +15 over regular accuracy by BH from pistoleer.
BH beats Pistoleer in 1 point of pistol speed.
Pistoleer beats BH in amount of defense bonuses, as the other 2 top classes do.
Pistoleer and Carbineer get the same ranged defense, but the rifleman is 20 in melee defenese bonuses, and 13 in pistoleer, 0 in carbineer.
Im not taking this from any view, just wanting to tell people, to see the BIG picture.
I hope this Was Very Informational.
kind of.
one thing you're missing - is this assuming everyone has novice marksman?
novice marksman gives bonuses to speed and accuracy.
Master Pistolieer would destroy a Master BH. This is how it should be.
BH stands for Bounty Hunter. Not Bad-Ass.
A bounty hunter puts a lot of skill into investigation and street smarts. Bounty hunters don't go around doing fast-draws all day. They find targets and deal with them.
Pistolieers just do the shooting.
When you add up the pistol speed and accuracy and dodging / defense you get as master pistolieer, especially if you throw in the +10 speed +10 accuracy bonuses from Master Marksman, youhave one BAD MOFO.
If you're Master Pistolieer, here are the stats:
SPEED: 79
ACCURACY: 105
GENERAL RANGED AIMING 11
MELEE D: 9
ALERTNESS 10
RANGED D 11
ACCURACY WHILES STANDING: 15
ACCURACY WHILE MOVING: 40
PISTOL AIMING: 16
PISTOLIEER DEFENSE VS. KNOCKDOWN
30
DEFENSE VS. STUN
20
DEFENSE VS. BLIND
20
DEFENSE VS. DIZZY
20
DEFENSE VS. POSTURE CHANGE
20
DODGE
30
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BOUNTY HUNTER
BH
accuracy 100
speed: 70
ranged d: 10
general ranged aiming: 10
melee d: 2
alertness: 10
ranged d: 11
This is considering Master Marksman into both professions.
Bounty Hunter has no knockdown D, poison D, or stun D. They have no defense against blind. They also can't dodge. And the pistol accuracy while moving / standing makes a difference too. And pistolieer IS faster and more generally accurate than Bounty Hunter.
A raw Bounty Hunter vs. a raw (no other professions) Pistolieer, the Pistolieer has a HUGE advantage
Better pick up some of the pistol line along with Bounty Hunter pistol.
But people are thinking wrong about BH. BH isn't in competition with pistol. BH is the one who can use weapons at range, use exotic weapons (lightning rifle) and then use weapons up close. They're trained in different weapons so that they can be prepared no matter what their opponent has.
A pistolieer with the BH pistol line would wipe out a BH in a pistol fight.
-- Yp
Why would anyone want to master BH?
Someone want to add up the numbers for a Master Pistoleer with BH Pistol Branch?
I just don't understand pistoleers sometimes.
As of right now, BH with eye shot will -----DESTROY----- any pistoleer short of master.
Why? Eye shot. I -will- massacre you. With full heals every 4 seconds, you better pray to god every shot you take hits my mind pool. Because mine will. With a scatter pistol. And that's not even factoring in if I spent the 2 skill points to pick up underhandshot then switch to scatter.
The -only- skill that you have is Disarmingshot2. And that's really, really, REALLY debatable whether you should even have the skill at all. I mean, how naive can you guys be? Do you really think the devs want pretty much every class to have ranged knockdown, let alone AOE knockdown? Carbineers actually have the skill in their class description. I can't wait 'till you guys lose your little toy.
Then I'll massacre the Master Gunfighters. If you really think this game PvP is about anything other than mind damage and knockdown, you're retarded. But please, keep counting your skill mods and thinking that'll save you when I stim away all your damage and eye shot you to death.
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AssassinRei ,
Sorry, your information just isn't comprehensive. Factor in at least the following to even "start" to get an idea of what's going on:
1. ideal range is now fixed, pistols are less accurate at range now. Combat lasts longer, range plays a more important role now since folks actually miss now in PvP.
2. Mind pool damage from rifles.
3. Weapon speed increased damage over time of slow weapons (carbines then rifles as highest) faster than that of pistols (faster weapons).
4. Both carbine/rifles have higher potential overall DPS.
5. Carbines are almost all AR1, and have an AR2 weapon. Rifles are almost all AR2 and have the AR3 T21. Pistols have 2 AR1 pistols.
6. Pistoleer's best health damage shot is body shot 2, from the marksman line.
7. Pistoleers get ZERO state effects in their specials, all the way to mastery.
That's just a few things off the top of my head.
VictisDAOC,
Eyeshot is definitely the best damage shot for the pistol weapon for PvP, hands down. Without knockdowns, I agree, no one can really stand up to eyeshot for long.
However, notice what you're saying...it takes a pistoleer to reach Master Pistoleer, to compete with a novice BH that has 2 whole boxes of bounty pistol. So no, I don't think having a good special at mastery that allows a master gunfighter to compete with a novice 2 box bounty hunter a bad thing...all while using a pistol.
But even if "our toy" is removed, we can just pick up the smuggler low blow special and continue to use a ranged knockdown, so I don't see any "huge" loss in potential overall, other than the dabbler will now not have access to a knockdown.
Now, why smuggler and bounty hunter would then be the only two good options to have as a pistol user for PvP, and not the master pistoleer, wouldn't make a lot of sense IMO. I suppose at that point many would just jump ship, pick up smuggler, or drop pistol and go carbine, rifle, or BH. I mean, time-wise, it won't take long to raise carbine/BH pistol when compared to 3 lines plus a combat XP line...it might be a relief to some folks, who knows.
As it is, I think the specials allow a master pistoleer to "compete". Not win, not have the advantage, just compete. As you say, you can heal off most of the damage a pistoleer does with a stim and mind pool simply cannot be healed. That puts a nail in most coffins.
Much less of a helmet, you cant really defend your mind.
Most fighters dont have over 750 of mind.
only way to enhance mind is with spices. Muon Gold specifically.
forgot to factor in the marksman classes.
in terms of bonuses. the BH is a a bit over due the master marksman bonuses.
But in the end BH bonuses, dont compare as well as to pistoleer. To make up for that BH get some even i think, overpowered skills in the pistol part of BH. Torso shot is powerful for it can wound you so badly, you might have to run out of a fight.
Carbine was very powerful, but the knockdown got nerf.
TKA can only do 1-3 knockdowns, carbines can do about 5-6 knockdowns, maybe more, pistols, from what ive done is about 10-12. Isint that a bit much?
Pistoleer gets more defense bonuses, because BH has none lol.
but BH is better offensively.
I wish they would fix the defense bonuses.
AssassinRei wrote:
Pistoleer beats BH in accuracy bonuses, from all angles, but a little bit in overall. +15 over regular accuracy by BH from pistoleer.
What are you smoking? From your own sources it says this:
BH Pistol Accuracy: 60
Pistoleer Pistol Accuracy: 45
Pistoleers then get bonuses to standing and moving. That leaves BH'swith 33% more accuracy while prone and kneeling. Even if you didn't like kneeling before, you sure do now that pistols had their accuracy mods knocked into line where they should have been all along.
Bounty Hunters also get further bonuses from Master Marksman (a required skill) which Pistoleers aren't required to take.
BHs win on 3 very important points: They fire faster with a pistol, they are more accurate in 2 out of 4 postures with a pistol, and they are certed in themost damaging AP1 pistol in the game.
Bounty Hunters need work, the devs must see that and I hope they get the attention they need. They certainly don't need a nerf. But it is not unreasonable for Pistoleers to want to be able to master 1 skill, just like every other elite profession gets to master at least 1 thing.
For every other Elite Profession (except Carbineer who have the same problem) I can name at least 1 concreteskill (though it may not be powerful) they are the undisputed masters of, but Pistoleers have nothing. It obviiously isn't Pistol use because that is being disputed by a lot of people...
In regular accuracy, BH beats pistoleer.
but in accuracy of standing and moving combat, with the bonus of a good regular accuracy. the Pistoleer is higher.
As well, i also forgot to put in the master marksman bonuses.