Pistoleer Archive

Like the Rifleman with a Rifle, or a Carabineer with a Carbine.

It seems the Pistoleer is nearly the worse profession using a Pistol.

Sorry, this is a useless post, but i am a little angry .... upset.

Well even if Pistoleer wasn't the best Pistol prof you can still pick up skills from the other ones. You can easily get Pistoleer Master+Smuggler

And if your really wanted to: Pistoleer Master+BH Pistol 4.

Pistoleer is definitly not the worst profession using a pistol. Bounty Hunters and Pistoleers are about equal in the use of a pistol. The main problem is, especially now after disarm2 fix (Disarm2 was never actually suppose to have a knockdown), the most used specials by a pistoleer are granted in the marksman skill tree, and at novice pistoleer. Body shot III is broke, Multi Target Pistol shot is broke, Fan shot is actually a pretty decent special, stopping shot is only slightly better than fan shot with higher HAM costs. Double tap is a good shot also, but targets a random HAM, disarm1 is junk, disarm2 is now junk (Unless they do like 700 damage to the weapon per shot its really worthless in pve and pvp when they fix it). Defenses are broke. Once they fix that it will take some edge off, but pistoleer's aren't the only one that will benefit from that so you can not just attribute those skills to just pistoleers. Once the specials are fixed the pistoleer will be a great class, but with the disarm2 fix, Pistoleers are definitly not the strongest in pvp or pve anymore. Even with the 30 second immunity a knockdown still can decide between life or death in pvp or pve. As far as I can tell Pistoleers are the only ranged combat class with out some sort of posture change or stun attack

Pistoleers have no reliable damage or status changing attacks in PvP. The best pistol skill now belongs to bounty hunters. The most damaging pistol has always belonged to bounty hunters. A vast majority of a pistoleers skill mods do nothing. The onlydecent skillpistoleers have is fan shot, it is like overcharge shot but does a bit more damage and doesn't degrade the weapon. Stopping shot has a horrible delay on it, and for the sake of arguement, IS bugged(read the description for it). The only other decent skills a pistoleer has are the pool directed bleed(upgrade of a marksman skill), and bodyshot2(a marksman skill). The skills I haven't listed are pretty useless or completly broken. Smugglers have panic shot and low blow, these are awesome skills but again, are NOT pistoleer skills. You can't say pistoleers are alright because they can get bounty hunting and smuggling skills. It is possible to do that, but once you do, you are using bounty hunter or smuggler skills, not pistoleer skills. Therefore it is not the pistoleer that is ok, but bounty hunters and smugglers. You don't even need novice pistoleer to get either of those two classes, so they really have nothing to do with pistoleers.

I am starting to sound like a broken record.

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Iebo wrote:
how is pistoleer the worst?

you get tons of defensive bonuses (assuming they will work eventually) and bonuses to firing while moving....and some pretty nice specials to use....and lots more skill points to spread around compared to the other pistol professions...

I don't see your argument....or I do and it's so full of holes it can't support it's own weight

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Defensive bonuses don't make Pistoleers better at using a pistol. You are mistaking power for pistol mastery. We are certainly not the weakest profession, but that's not what this topic is about.

Some pretty nice specials is an overstatement. Most are broken. We can reevaluate whether we have any nice ones once they are fixed. But right now we have only Fan Shot that sees any regular use. And that's a random HAM shot so it's not particulary stellar of a pistol move.

Lots more skill points to spread around do not make us better at using a pistol. Unless we spend them in other professions pistol lines, in which case that seals this argument as very valid. We are not the best at using the pistol if we have to take other professions skills to compete with them with a pistol.

Pistoleers are not underpowered. They just don't seem very masterful at their class weapon...

I'm not at fan shot yet, but I currently use doubletap. It's ok, but still.

And again, Iebo graces us with his whiny presence. After my roomate told me that BS3 SUCKS, I went the route of grips. Again, Mr. Whiner Hunter, it's going to be stated again:

ALOT OF OUR SPECIALS ARE NOT WORKING AS INTENDED. Or at least by the player standards.

BS3 sucks, from what everyone says, and thus I still use BS2 FROM THE MARKSMAN TREE. DS1 and 2 suck. Our melee defense was nerfed ALONG with your KD and other classes that use KD. Our defense bonuses are not working. Our only special pistol that ONLY pistoleers use isn't all that great. I mean, I finally got a DX2, and I STILL use a scout blaster.

Just like everyone else, we need fixing too, but how our correspondent's first report was handled by the developers, everyone cried nerf on pistoleers, because of the mix and match of the REAL problems needing attention, and the neat things we'd like to have eventually down the road.

We should rock with the pistol, but we don't.

Iebo is just yanking our chain. Without ranged knockdown, only hitting, very weakly, health or random ham pool, wasted specials on point blank shots and melee attacks, even Iebo knows we're sucking wind in combat. I know you Iebo, I know the only reason it use to be OK was because we had diarming 2, and you were correct, and I think we agreed to agree on that. But it's not OK any more, we no longer have it, and now we are left with tumble weeds for effective specials.

Granted, when the wild and crazy disarming shot is fixed, we will be a TRUE pistol master.

That's of course, a joke, and a hope, all at the same time.

how is pistoleer the worst?

you get tons of defensive bonuses (assuming they will work eventually) and bonuses to firing while moving....and some pretty nice specials to use....and lots more skill points to spread around compared to the other pistol professions...

I don't see your argument....or I do and it's so full of holes it can't support it's own weight

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Iebo wrote:
how is pistoleer the worst?

you get tons of defensive bonuses (assuming they will work eventually) and bonuses to firing while moving....and some pretty nice specials to use....and lots more skill points to spread around compared to the other pistol professions...

I don't see your argument....or I do and it's so full of holes it can't support it's own weight

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Defesive Bonus are working acording to the devs.. they just dont effect much..

Firing while moving every weapon can be done with, ive been kited to death by a rifleman i was trying to KD.

Nice special? HAHAHAHA Show me one. Imhalf-way to master and STILL use a marksman skill to get xp.

More points to spread around? we have just as many as a rifleman or a carbineer, newsflash.. a carbineer is better with a carbine than a BH.. a rifleman is better than a BH using that lightning rifle.. Why is it so hard to see that pistoleers should be better than a BH with pistols.

Lets talk about actual pistolteer specials we use.

I dont know why people are under the impression that pistolteers are in any way over powered simply because other classes arent working correctly.

Excluding disarmshot2 while its "fixed".I pretty much use ONLY the following specials.

Healthshot 1/2 your standard bleed shot, (IMHO our best attacks) Its good but nothing at all compared to a rifle mind bleed! these are novice and low lvl pistol skills.

Bodyshot2 novice skill here, low damage even with a 210 damage weapon, but its reliable.

Thats pretty much it. Others use fan shot which ill admit I like to use for fun and I do get some decent damage but its to random pools and is very random! If you need to kill stuff fast as possible than I wont bother with Fan shot its not reliable and ham friendly.Other skills worth some note are stopping shot. My whole opinion is make stopping shot work as its described in game, make it super pwerful and make it our master ability. Right now as slow as it fires even with a 1.6 scout blasterits just not that good or reliable and can and very often does hit misc ham bars causing a watse of ham and time.

To conclude,

At Master pistolteer they(soe) are reducing me to using essentially novice skills to be most effective. Health shot 1/2 and body shot2.

My personal fixes would be to make stopping shot our master skill and make it work exaclty as stated in the game descritpion allowing us a chance(small mind you say 7%-10%)to incap anyone in 1 shot. Move the soon to becrapper disarmshot down to stopping shots bubble. And finally up the damage significantly on bodyshot 3 and make it the highest skill to have in that tree rather than point blank shot or get entirely rid of multitarget shot and give us bodyshot 4 at master.

Reagrds,

Delim (Valcyn)

Best in using the pistol? Yes you should be.

Best at chasing/trying to kill someone with adrenaline pumping in your veins? BH wins hands down.

You guys are like Hunters, big fat balding men who goto the range every weekend and shoot. Your accuracy is godly, you know everything about how to hold a pistol and whatnot, but when it comes to life or death with a real person, not some hunting mission, then you should die like the fat balding hunter you are. k thx no re.

Everyone thinks a Pistoleer should be better at pistols. Why not do this?

Bounty Hunter Pistol4 and Master Pistoleer !! OMG, its the perfect combo to be the best pistoleer in the galaxy.

Instead of being a weaponsmith/pistoleer, how's about spending ALL your skill points into pistol skills. That way you cannot complain about BH or Pistoleer being overpowered cause you ARE PURE PISTOLEER!

Look, spend some skill points into Bounty Hunter Pistol Line, then you will have so much pistol power, it will make you sick.

Being a Pistoleer/BH Pistoleer is by far the most powerful pistol user you can be. If that's what you want. Stop crying about how you cant be better than X player when you are a Weaponsmith/Pistoleer.