Pistoleer Archive

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Crossover wrote:

Do People who say things like that ONLY PvE against Low Level monsters?

Do me a favor, go fight a krayt or a nightsister with no ap or ap1, then watch the master rifleman do the same with his ap 2 or 3

Give me a fsckin break, AP is what makes us suck half the time... we cannot outdamage people on high level monsters....

And also, don't say oh real life real life, because first off you have heavy pistols in real life, and anyways, in real life do people throw things from behind walls that poisin and disease?

We NEED something with AP2

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No, they drop it over your head from 1thousand miles away, be thankful they have to be so close to disease us. This argument could be used for any proffession without Ap2, its called diversity

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KaylBreinhar wrote:

Everyone with sense that's advocating AP2 is also saying that the max range for the weapon needs to be 30m. That isn't an "ideal range," it's a hard range lock that simply will not shoot at 31m. The ideal range mod on a weapon with an effective usage distance of 30m would be around 15-20m.

This should make Carbineers and Riflemen moan less. Pistoleers are close-quarters fighters, a powerful close-up pistol would be a nice addition to our meager arsenal - the F.O.T.M. PvPers are just trying to moan their way out of us getting something that might give us leverage over them. With venomed poisons, in PvP we'd be dead by the time we closed to 30m against a Rifleman/CM.

Cold damage and AP2 with an MAXIMUM range of 30m. That's NOT too much to ask.

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a gun like that would make me shutup

AMEN BROTHERS

But.....ummmmm.......how about ap2 and STUN dammage.....oh c'mon......i really really really wanna just be god.........

ok, last line was a joke, just surprised no one has actually tried to lobby for that, but ap2 is needed, reguardless of dammage type

Message Edited by bountyonmyarse on 04-20-2004 06:08 AM

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Crossover wrote:

Do People who say things like that ONLY PvE against Low Level monsters?

Do me a favor, go fight a krayt or a nightsister with no ap or ap1, then watch the master rifleman do the same with his ap 2 or 3

Give me a fsckin break, AP is what makes us suck half the time... we cannot outdamage people on high level monsters....

And also, don't say oh real life real life, because first off you have heavy pistols in real life, and anyways, in real life do people throw things from behind walls that poisin and disease?

We NEED something with AP2

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The reason other professions have AP is because Rifles/Carbine equivalentsfire 3-1/2 inch magnum rounds in real life. You wanna try fitting one of those in a pistol??? That's crazy, the recoil on that would break your wrists (recoil is worse on smaller weapons by the way...less mass= easier to move). I'm a Pistoleer too, workingon Master. So don't think I'm picking on Pistoleers, I'm in the same position as you. But it just doesn't make sense to give any pistol AP2. What's next, AP2 for Teras kasi too?? They have it even worse against big game because they have to stand right in its face to hit it and they have no AP whatsoever! You guys need to understand the different classes have different roles. Maybe if you're a pistoleer you shouldn't go hunt big game alone. We have an advantage over rifleman fighting lots of creatures in close quarters, we can use fanshot or multi target pistol shot, so do the devs have to give riflemen something like that?? The last thing I want is for everyone to be able to do what everyone else can, that's just boring.

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Vurtorax wrote:

You guys need to understand the different classes have different roles. Maybe if you're a pistoleer you shouldn't go hunt big game alone. We have an advantage over rifleman fighting lots of creatures in close quarters, we can use fanshot or multi target pistol shot, so do the devs have to give riflemen something like that?? The last thing I want is for everyone to be able to do what everyone else can, that's just boring.

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First this is coming from an ex-MasterPistoleer (gave it up yesterday). Second, having roles for each professionisa goodconcpet.In a game where the whole point is hunting/killingor PVP then what role do Pistoleers have currently. No one knows, why? Because were borked. I find it funny that of the 2 specials you listed one is worthless, Multitarget shot, and the other we can't use in any dungeon unless we want to die quicker than typing /accecptduel to a Rifleman. We haveno stat change specials besides a MELE k/d, no heavy damage attacks (in fact dps is lower than any ranged profession currently), and lastly9-10 specials are worthless or broken.

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KaylBreinhar wrote:

Everyone with sense that's advocating AP2 is also saying that the max range for the weapon needs to be 30m. That isn't an "ideal range," it's a hard range lock that simply will not shoot at 31m. The ideal range mod on a weapon with an effective usage distance of 30m would be around 15-20m.

This should make Carbineers and Riflemen moan less. Pistoleers are close-quarters fighters, a powerful close-up pistol would be a nice addition to our meager arsenal - the F.O.T.M. PvPers are just trying to moan their way out of us getting something that might give us leverage over them. With venomed poisons, in PvP we'd be dead by the time we closed to 30m against a Rifleman/CM.

Cold damage and AP2 with an MAXIMUM range of 30m. That's NOT too much to ask.

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That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. ALL MELEE HAVE A MAX RANGE OF 20M!!! If our ideal is 20m then we would constantly be owned by every melee fighter in the game. Pistols would be even more of a joke. We should get some better AP because our damage is already a lot lower than Carbines and Rifles. Why do we get no AP2 and our weapons are weak? Now, that's not fair.

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Vurtorax wrote:

The reason other professions have AP is because Rifles/Carbine equivalentsfire 3-1/2 inch magnum rounds in real life. You wanna try fitting one of those in a pistol??? That's crazy, the recoil on that would break your wrists (recoil is worse on smaller weapons by the way...less mass= easier to move). I'm a Pistoleer too, workingon Master. So don't think I'm picking on Pistoleers, I'm in the same position as you. But it just doesn't make sense to give any pistol AP2. What's next, AP2 for Teras kasi too?? They have it even worse against big game because they have to stand right in its face to hit it and they have no AP whatsoever! You guys need to understand the different classes have different roles. Maybe if you're a pistoleer you shouldn't go hunt big game alone. We have an advantage over rifleman fighting lots of creatures in close quarters, we can use fanshot or multi target pistol shot, so do the devs have to give riflemen something like that?? The last thing I want is for everyone to be able to do what everyone else can, that's just boring.

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Uh Vibroknucklers are AP1.