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Thread: How much do you think an additional +20 pistol speed at master would help the pistoleer profession?

Pana_Cebo
Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:12 pm
#1

In my opinion, this simple fix would make pistoleer a playable profession at least until the combat revamp. (The devs have recently said that our specials will be fixed in the CRno sooner


People have constantly said again and again that pistoleers should be the fastest shooting ranged profession. We are currently outgunned by riflemen however, who have +105 to speed. In my opinion, giving us a +15 or +20 to pistol speedat MASTER PISTOLEER(bringingourpistol speed total to+85 or +90 with master marksman ) would balance the playing field and allow us to approach the speed cap as other professions have.


Honestly, this fix would take a few minutes or so for the devs to implement, and it would satiate us until the release of duel- wield and the combat balance.
SoontirKarrde
Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:17 pm
#2

Your numbers are a bit off, a master rifleman is +90 speed (95 with master marksmen) and a master pistoleer is +74 (79 with master marksmen), but I do agree that more speed is something pistoleers could use, but really good luck getting anything pre combat balance.



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Pana_Cebo
Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:18 pm
#3

Sorry if my numbers were off its because i was using the horribly outdated swg strategy guide. My question still stands however.
gunner4life
Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:23 pm
#4

in my opinion the magic number for us is +90 pistol speed because at this speed we can fire stopping shot at exactly once per second with a standard 2.5 speed dx-2 or republic blaster . i would stick a pistol speed + 8 mod inthe pistol grips 4 and pistol marksmenship 4boxes .



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Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:37 pm
#5

We should be AT LEAST as fast as a rifleman. ....I mean who is faster? Give us the speed. I think it is a great idea but as stated do not see it happening any time soon.



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true_Kieran
Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:17 pm
#6


They just have to change the additional pistol speed for every skill box in pistol stances to 10 instead of 6, then we would have 90 pistol speed too. Riflemen for example get +10 instead of +6 speed per skill box in their tree.




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Jpshaff01
Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:08 pm
#7

now now, the idea is that we shouldnt get faster. Its that riflemen should get slower, if they add +20 to pistol speed at master it dicks over all the people who spent time getting tapes.




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Pana_Cebo
Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:03 pm
#8

I disagree with the idea that we dont need to be sped up. We certainly do, and at least temporarily until the combat balance, which probably won't even happen until late summer.


Bumping up pistoleer speed would not make skill tapes useless either. Rifleman have 90 or so speed mods and do you see how many credits rifleman speed tapes go for these days?


Speed tapes could still let a potential pistoleer reach the 100 cap and/or gain speed mods lost from dropping master marksman.
SilentJay1284
Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:27 pm
#9

Lucky for me I have a +6 pistol speed armor attachment on my Ubese shirt.



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teeth0r
Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:31 pm
#10

Err.. riflemen spend all that cash on extra speed tapes because they're firing weapons with speeds of up to 8! Pistoleers only need 90 as an absolute maximum, as has already been stated.


To be honest though, even if you were firing Stopping Shot once per second with the slowest, highest damage pistol you could get your hands on, you'd still get owned in PvP. Seriously.. random HAM? No Stun/Intimidate/Dizzy? AP0 Stun damage or AP1 energy/acid? What's the point.. you might as well just get the extra speed from BH, then at least you've got a special (Eyeshot)that's worth using in PvP to shoot once per second.


Extra speed would not be a useful 'quick fix' for Pistoleer at this point.

cwhooks
Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:23 pm
#11

Pistoleers need speed, accuracy and working specials... To help with PvP you really need all 3 and even then, it won't have much effect, since our DPS will still be less than a rifleman, heavy swordsman or tka...



For PvE, fixing the specials would help more than anything else... Without a fix to specials, I think accuracy would help more than speed, since the special and weapons we use not is general optimized for once a second anyways!


Either way... You can get nice specials from smuggler and have a easy way to get further defense from tak, fencer, etc... You can easily pick up another pistol from smuggler... Or you can go bounty hunter and get that speed, acc, special and another pistol. You won't have any skills left for defense then, however... So ultimately the best interim solution would be to add those bonuses to acc and speed to pistoleer... We would have speed and accuracy that is similar to many of the other elite professions (though carbineers lose out). This would put the ability to get specials and defense in our hands... It might devalue the BH pistol line, as the speed would no longer be that attractive... But the extra acc would make it much easier to over come defense stackers! Of course the scatter is IMO the second best pistol available. Also the BH specials are very nice as well...




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Randonb
Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:26 pm
#12

We're thinking along the same lines. I've already asked for a preliminary +10 speed before the combat balance. I don't think the devs would accept a +20 very easily, and who knows what things will be like after the CB. I don't think they want to do drastic changes and then risk taking them back later. One of the goals seems to be that everyone will have a reason to think about weapon speed, even the faster professions.






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Pana_Cebo
Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:32 pm
#13

Thanks for the info Randonand keep up the good work
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