Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Damage Per Second
When I first went to my weaponsmith friend after the CU and asked him to knock me up aGorax FWG5 he
Message Edited by BadgerSmaker on 06-07-2005 04:20 PM
The biggest reason is there is no more random damage. It is only based on your max damage number...but dps takes into account the average of max and min. Right now, min is only used when calculating how much extra damage a power-up will give the gun. So the dps displayed on the gun isn't really your dps.
In addition, as our correspondant mentioned, SAC cost is now a really important statistic. When buying a gun you should focus on max damage and SAC cost before speed. Completely ignore dps as it is neither accurate nor important.
Listed DPS is definitely meaningless when you plan on using stocks as your PUP to reduce SAC even further. If I have two pistols with no elemental damage, identical speed and SAC, but pistol 1 is 800-200 damage and pistol 2 is 700-400 damage, then the second pistol is going to have a higher DPS (275 vs 250), but the first pistol non-PUPed will be my better pistol in game. Even with a 30% damage PUP, pistol 1 will have 860 maxdamage (30% of 200 added) while pistol 2 will have 820 max damage (30% of 400 added.)
So you can see that DPS is a misleading statistic.
Olias_Focauld wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded, you brought up many points I had not considered and now it makes much better sense to me. I knew I had come to the right place.
That's because pistoleers are spiffy.
i usually hunt jedi, and wear them down with the trando supressor, spamming specials and using little action. then, when i think the time is right, i will hit disarming shot, switch to scatter, and go for a run of massive damage. Both have their place...but SAC is arguably the most important stat. what good is damage if you are -Too Tired- to shoot?
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ok now i am confused.
I thought speed is the most important thing hence the reason i went 1,4,3,0 in bh. The 4 in carbine gave me a better dps or speed bonus. Now it seems i should of gotten 4 in pistals in bn for the accurecy mods.
So which is it now do pistoleers need speed or accurecy?
lol right now on my fwg5s the speed on it is like 1.33 with my modifed speed now its like .75.
So do i need to drop the 4th box in carbines in bhand switch it back over to pistols.
if i havent said before i am a mp,mch 1,4,3,0bh. the 3 female narg cats and me make a great team but i would like to do some decent damage.
Dragon942 wrote:
X-Rebel wrote:
ok now i am confused.
I thought speed is the most important thing hence the reason i went 1,4,3,0 in bh. The 4 in carbine gave me a better dps or speed bonus. Now it seems i should of gotten 4 in pistals in bn for the accurecy mods.
So which is it now do pistoleers need speed or accurecy?
lol right now on my fwg5s the speed on it is like 1.33 with my modifed speed now its like .75.
So do i need to drop the 4th box in carbines in bhand switch it back over to pistols.
if i havent said before i am a mp,mch 1,4,3,0bh. the 3 female narg cats and me make a great team but i would like to do some decent damage.
Yeah, I would definetly take the extra accuracy over the extra speed. Both accuracy and speed increase your dps post-cu, as higher accuracy not only increases your chances to hit, but now increases the damage when you do! So both help, but with speed you get diminishing returns on your actual rate of fire (despite what it says your modified speed is) and you use up action faster (an important consideration in the new system).
Message Edited by Dragon942 on 06-07-2005 03:02 PM
ya my action is used up so fast its not even funny, and thats with a 85 sac. The only reason i ended up going with speed is because the dps numbers given only changed with speed when i added accurecy the dps did not go up. So now i need to look for a high damage decent sac, and then speed.
X-Rebel wrote:
ok now i am confused.
I thought speed is the most important thing hence the reason i went 1,4,3,0 in bh. The 4 in carbine gave me a better dps or speed bonus. Now it seems i should of gotten 4 in pistals in bn for the accurecy mods.
So which is it now do pistoleers need speed or accurecy?
lol right now on my fwg5s the speed on it is like 1.33 with my modifed speed now its like .75.
So do i need to drop the 4th box in carbines in bhand switch it back over to pistols.
if i havent said before i am a mp,mch 1,4,3,0bh. the 3 female narg cats and me make a great team but i would like to do some decent damage.
Yeah, I would definetly take the extra accuracy over the extra speed. Both accuracy and speed increase your dps post-cu, as higher accuracy not only increases your chances to hit, but now increases the damage when you do! So both help, but with speed you get diminishing returns on your actual rate of fire (despite what it says your modified speed is) and you use up action faster (an important consideration in the new system).
Message Edited by Dragon942 on 06-07-2005 03:02 PM
FIVER wrote:
.....how about for a healer? I am a MCarb/MCM & nov doc. I fire my weapon sporadically at best. I spend most of my time stating and healing, like any good CM toon. Is DPS a more relevant stat for a temp like mine?..making SAC secondary?
No, NEVER look at dps. Its not only the least important stat, but it is in fact calculated inaccurately (in more ways than one) on the weapon examine sheet. You may, however, want to give max damage a much higher precedence than SAC if your other abilities don't use up any action.