Pistoleer Archive

WE DON'T HAVE HOLSTERS OR TWIRLY MOVES, JEDI SAVE US

Give me a frickin break. Costs 98 skill points to master your class, and I have seen people go from novice to master in a day and a half. You expect those kind of pre requisites to justify even touching a BH in combat? Whose lame idea was it to list BH as a gripe for your class. If you guys knew what you were doing you would find some actual problems with Pistoleers to submit to devs rather than Bounty Hunter **edit** envy.

Give it up, devs are never going to make a 98 skill point semi - elite class be superior to a 217 hybrid - elite. You guys can do so many other things with other skill points to become strong and equal us in power, we can't do nothing else.

Novice BH > Novice Pistoleer

Master BH > Master Pistoleer

Pistoleer with all skill points spent = BH with all skill points spent.

I wish beta boards were still around so you guys KNEW what your class was all about.

Why do people continue to do this? All it is doing is asking for a flaming, and giving other BH's a bad name!

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Lowca_Fatal wrote:

Novice BH > Novice Pistoleer

Master BH > Master Pistoleer

Pistoleer with all skill points spent = BH with all skill points spent.

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If all BHs agreed with you on those three equations, I don't think there'd be any problem from the pistoleers. From what I'm reading though the third one isn't a commonly agreed on. Most BHs just want to be more powerful, period. Regardless of how the other player has spent his 250 points.

Oh and the other contentious point is:

Novice BH with BH pistol 4 > Master pistoleer ??

Bounty Hunter is not a trump card. If 2 people spend all 250 points in combat, if one has BH and the other doesn't, it doesn't make the first any better.

The goal of this game is to make everyone as equal as possible after 250 pts spent if they spent them well (as in all combat, all artisan, not both etc).

Novice BH with pistol 4 only has one advantage on a Pistoleer, the ability to target the mind pool. The increased damage from pistoleer counteracts this

BOUNTY HUNTERS GO TO YOUR OWNFRIGGIN BOARD AND QUIT CAMPING ON OURS!!!!

What happened to community, eh Galaxy_Horizon?

i just want the devs not to nerf me. i just want to happily master my BH skills have 4 working trees. two of which are currently not working as designed and hunt NPC bounties until they implement PC ones. personally i dont think that bounty hunters should be allowed to join the rebellion or empire if theytake the skillof novice BH. PVP for BH should be PC bounties and duels and possibly guild wars. master bounty hunters should be a rare and feared thing. as it is now i cant turn around in backwater towns without seeing 6 novice BH who picked it up just to grief someone else in PVP because half the elite pistoland carbine defense trees are not working. unfortunately those are the people that will get my proffession assualtedby the nerf sticklike a durni in a pack of grand wrixs.... i just hope someone comes to their senses in the dev corner and fixes all the broken skills before the nerf bat starts a swingin.

If a Master Pistoleer with BH pistol line loses to a Master Bounty Hunter in a duel after this patch, then the Master Pistoleer needs to seriously look at what he is doing. All the advantages go to the Master Pistoleer with the new damage nerf. Maybe its just the fact that there are so many aspiring BH's out there. Ive never had any problem sending them to the cloning center.

Fastgun

Comparing BH and Pistoleer is apples and oranges but please stop coming into these forums looking for fights. The valid point was made that a master of the Pistol not being able to use Pistols that a Novice Bounty Hunter can weild was wrong.

There is nobody here trying to nerf the bounty hunter class. In fact I'd like to see it brought more along the lines of what a real bounty hunter is:A No nonsense hunter of human beings.

With that being said, please please please stop whining about it taking 217 points to master BH and 98 for pistoleer. Yes it takes you 2 full trees to master before you can hit bounty hunter, but those are Basic trees that most people master ina matter of weeks.

Here is the biggest indication of why Pistoleers do have a point: The hardest XP to get in the game is Combat XP. It doesn't come in the high bunches of Scouting XP or weapon XP.

BH Combat Experience: 72550 (32550 in Basic and 40000 in Bounty Hunter)

Pistoleer Combat Experience: 442550 (32550 in Basic and 410000)

That is a difference of 370000 Combat Experience or 3.7 Million Weapon experience.

Factor in all your extra scouting and the two extra basic weapon trees it takes you and you still don't reach up to 3.7 million weapon experience.

The kicker to all of this? Lets compare weapon experience:

BH Weapon Experience: 3,873,000 (273000 in Basic 3,600,000 in BH)

Pistoleer Weapon XP: 3,691,000 (91000 in Basic, 3,600,000 in Pistoleer)

Difference: 182,000 Weapon XP or approx 18,200 Combat XP.

Lets subtract that from our current deficit still leaves a Pistoleer with 351,800 more combat XP to get or 3,518,000 weapon experience.

I'll give you investigation 1 for 1 with Combat...I'll admit I don't know how easy it is to get investigation XP. 34000 Investigation XP

That leaves pistoleers with 317800 Combat XP over Bounty Hunters.

Lets take this FURTHER.

I'll give you 1 for 1 Scouting XP v. Combat XP (and lets be honest, Scouting is a lot easier than Combat..but I'm being fair)

Master Scout takes 129000 Scouting Related Experience.

After you factor in that, it still leaves you with

*drum roll*

188,800 Combat XP or 1,888,00 Weapon XP more that it requires to get our 90 some odd boxes compared to bounty hunter.

So please don't come in here saying BH is harder. Granted your class may be a bit borked but for sheer grindability, it takes a hell of a lot more to be a Pistoleer.

Inhockmark: Thank you so much for stating exactly what needed to be said!

I was starting to go insane hearing people compare the classes based on SKILL Points!! HA! Who gives a durni'spatooty about how many SKILL points you have to use. Every one is given them as a new player and everybody gets the same amount. Bla...

The Combat XP is the one true kicker here to the pistoleers angst with the BH's abilities in PvP. Logicdictates that if an individual has that much more experience in COMBAT, not just shooting a gun, that should play a major factor into how one performs in COMBAT against other players.

Pure & Simple...

You're about the biggest idiot there is...

I really only stated it so that people would stop trying to compare us to Bounty Hunters.

BH should be the jack of all trades, doing what they need to survive. They should be tough as nails and carry a good stick to take down the big targets that won't go quietly.

They should not be combatmonsters with a vicious End Game shot acheivable 1 Box in.

BH use their cunning and their guile to get their men. Traps, negotiation and various other means should be at their disposal.

Did Boba (Big time BH) Fett just go mano-a-mano with Han when he discovered the Falcon? Nope, he did the smart sensible thing and told the imperial army, got payment there and got the Solo bounty from Jabba.

Did Jango drop gloves with the Jedi when he came knocking? Nope, he tried to sneak away.

BH are not how they are portrayed in SWG now. ANd that's where the change should happen.

Inhocmark, I agree that comparing BH and Pistoleer is apples and oranges also, but you really shouldn't use combat xp as a guideline for that. I'm an expert BH (pistol 4) and only have 2 boxes left for tactics to master pistoleer. I've been thinking about slowlydropping my pistoleer skills (after mastering it) and going for master BH just to shake it up a bit. I talk to a lot of BH's that have completed many of their skills, you know what one thing is that they all have in common, they are just about maxing their combat xp out. Just because they aren't required to use it doesn't mean they aren't acquiring it at the same rate as Pistoleers.

Becoming a Master BH *IS MUCH* harder then becoming a Master Pistoleer, its obvious. Thoughit doesn't say much because the Master Pistoleer can be grinding on 2 other professions anyway (I'm saying as players, they still might be putting in equal time andgetting a lot accomplished). If we were to look at *just* the two professions however, wow, the gap is huge in difficulty. First off, its that you have to proficient in 3 weapons. With the LLC being the red headed step child, right now it's nothing more of a barrier to prevent a flood of Master Bounty Hunters. The investigation line, this is nothing but a time and money sink. If you're doing bounty missions, you're usually just waiting at shuttle ports and starports or running out to the middle of no where. It's not as hard as most BH's make it seem, it isn't, it's just terribly time consuming.

Comparing this to Master Pistoleer. Well, I'll tell you right off the bat that once you get pistol whip and healthshot 2 (just from training novice) it sets you up to net huge xp and fast. I hope most of you had pistol whip before the nerf, 300k pistol XP a night wasn't uncommon. Let me repeat though, I realize that most people that have pistoleer skills are dabbling into many other professions, I'm just saying yes, you can say Master BH is much harder then Master Pistoleer.