Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Is Pistoleer alone a viable profession? No? I beg to differ
RAMBOW wrote:
I can solo many things in PvE NS Elders, protectors, spellweavers, stalkers (CL 84) Its just that Pistols is weaker then the other comabt professions, and is being dabbled like it was before..
I dont get it either.
I can dump out my action bar at one shot per second and out-damage riflemen and jedi.
I can solo any melee mob in the game given enough space to run around in.
Agreed Pistoleer/Doc works for me, I can solo CL82s if I need to.I think we only look weaker when people stack with other crowd control professions etc. In which case you're not really comparing like with like. Interesting though, seen as only a short while ago we were getting heat for stopping shot being "so Ub3r" it appears that people are starting to discover the really powerful combinations now.
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TenshiHanaKinu wrote:If you mean Pistoleer at CL54 by itself... then yeah... you won't beat much of anything -- and neither would anyone else at CL54.
Well, if we compare pistoleer to the other 2 marksman elites, the first thing we notice is the range difference. Pistoleer disadvantage no.1. Second thing is the lower damage weapons, disadvantage no.2. We were intended to have much greater defence to make up for our range issues, we actually dont so i would call that number 3. Our only true advantage is our control abilities. But ask yourself this, id those moves can be used with a rifle or carbine then what advantage in battle do you have when holding a pistol? All you have are the disadvantages of less range and lower damage.....
So while i have no trouble in PvP or PvE i would be a fool to think that everything is rosey for pistoleers. Infact i know that if i didnt have MBH i wouldnt be doing half the things i can do in PvP or PvE. Maybe you dont agree but while i love that pistoleer can do some very nice things now and we have unique skills i feel that is almost ruined by this 'any move, any weapon' thing. It defies logic that you would allow the biggest weapons to use control moves designed to define a sidearm professionMessage Edited by BDragon on 05-17-2005 05:58 AM
every profession is dabbled now.
Look at your own template. You've got Master Pistols, some other master profession, and... you dabble in another profession.
Mastering a ranged weapon and BH (for example) leaves 52 points left over. Of course you are going to dabble after that. If you're using a rifle or carbine, then pistoleer is a good place to dabble.
The problem is that Master Pistoleer in terms of the specials doesn't feel like a significant improvement over 0/2/3/1 Pistoleer.
Nifty wrote:every profession is dabbled now.
Look at your own template.
I have to politely disagree. Not every profession is dabbled in because other profession yeild greater rewards for mastering than pistoleer. Lets look at pre-CU, pistol tech was one of the most abused lines in the game. And if you were already a pistoleer is was BH pistols(expert BH/desperado).
Currently a pistol user tends to be one because we love pistol, simple as that. We'll get master pistoleer and then divide the rest of our skill into BH and smuggler - my template of choice is Pistoleer/MBH/Smuggler4000. A rifleman however will come into pistoleer, take a line or two and be able to perform our role as crowd control effectively enough that we arent needed and to make matters worse use tose moves that are meant to define us and deal more damage while performing them, making him better in PvE and PvP.
While every profession has the potential to be dabbled in, the reality is that pistoleer and smuggler are currently being raided by the guys with biger guns to get the unique abilities to stack with their greater damage while the real pistoleer is stuck with a smaller gun and less range. I see that as a problem.
Message Edited by BDragon on 05-17-2005 06:55 AM
I'm MP/MBH with CM 4/0/0/0. So I dabbled in CM. Uthyr dabbles in CM. Badger dabbles in Doctor and CM (I think. I'm not sure, he might have one of those mastered.) Others have said they are MP/MBH and SL 0/4/0/4 (I think this is the most common.) Others have taken carbineer to get the snare and increased accuracy. Not every rifle and carbine user has Pistols 0231. My friend is MR/MBH SL 0/4/0/4 and does just fine.
Dabbling is easy to fix. Make the Improved and Advanced moves significantly better than the regular moves. So sure, they can do with dabbling what we can do, but we'd do it significantly better.
However, that still doesn't solve this... Let's say I'm a Master Pistoleer, Master Rifleman, Master Marksman with some skills in other things. As a Master Pistoleer and Master Rifleman, I have access to both sets of specials (and at their highest effectiveness.) In this case, what is my motivation for using a pistol over a rifle, especially in fighting another person with the same template that is using a rifle? If they land a stopping shot outside the pistol range, I'm dead unless I switch to a rifle. It ain't the accuracy vs defense either. We get 40 pistol accuracy and 50 pistoldefense and the rifle gets 85 accuracy and 30 defense. We beat their defense by 10, and they beat ours by 35? Not only does their weapon have a higher max damage, they're going to be hitting for a higher percentage of that max damage. We'll hit faster, but will it be fast enough?
Yeah, I've been hooked on dabling with CM and Doctor for a while now.
The advantage of the pistol should be its speed... in your example, ideally the rifleman/pistoleerwould use the rifle when he wants to do large amounts of damage in slow burstsfrom long range, and he'd use the pistol to do large amounts of damage in quick succession at short range.
There are situations where both would be beneficial; in pvp for instance. If the target has medic then anylarge, slow bursts ofdamage from range would be healed over, but a quick succession of hits would stop the target from being able to heal fast enough. That should be the benefit of using a pistol.
I do not believe any combat professian ingame is useful without a second mastery. I have MP/MBH/0404 SL... MBH on it's own is useless as is MP.
The problem though is, Carbines and RM are at an advantage as they ALWAYS been. Only this time, they can steal what makes us special.
I always loved pistols and was able to make pistols work FOR me. From our specials to our variety of guns, pistols worked for me in both PvE and espeically in PvP. I loved our LP, Scatter, FWG, DE-10, Geo pistol, Torso Shot, Eye Shot, Health Shot, Last Ditch, Panic Shot, etc etc... It was all OURS. It is what made us special.
Also the fact that pistollers had 4 professians to choose from: Smuggler, BH, Pistoller and Commando. Now though... Now you can get MR or Carbs and steal the specials that should be what makes us unique and special.
IMO... The CD just degraded our professian farther as it did every professian. Nothing seperates anything apart anymore and professians are more reliant on each other now than ever.
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:I'm seeing these statements in multiple threads and I'm puzzled.What are you fighting?I can solo CL82 enraged Kimos and the only things in PvP I cannot beat are Jedi...If you mean Pistoleer at CL54 by itself... then yeah... you won't beat much of anything -- and neither would anyone else at CL54.So I'm asking. What're you fighting that you don't think Pistoleer does OKay as your only combat profession ( I say that 'cause I don't "kill" anyone with Doctor )?
What did you use to solo a raged kimo lvl 82? What happened when your stopping shot ran out? I have trouble taking one down with two people. I cant think of anything else to do to solo one. I would be very interested in knowing how to do this? I have tried hundreds of combinations of special without any overwhelming success. I have a terrbile time of getting anything to stick, aside from root. Honestly, I need some pointers here.