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Thread: So pistoleer LACKS becose of Bounty Hunter?

Deplomatic
Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:06 am
#1
does pistoleer and carbineer lack becose of bounty hunter?


i wonder if it was more powerfull if bounty hunters could not use them...



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BZebub
Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:30 am
#2

currently, i suppose it may be part of the problem. they worry about giving us too much power through dabbling.



as a side note, i don't think bounty hunter should have ever been developed as a class like it is now. its really complicated things, and i don't think they worked out theproblems well enough to begin with.


WillburWright
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:52 pm
#3




Jibbrish wrote:

Pistoleer won't compare with Commando or Bounty Hunter well because a master pistoleer will have 158 skill pts left where a commando will only have 81 skill pointsand a bounty hunter will only have 33 skill pts left.

Don't think you're as strong as a BH, use the extra point you have to get there.






Yeah, but BH requires Master Scout.



BH has, what, two trees using pistols. (Counting Marksman Pistols)And we have five! Shouldn't we be better? (With pistols, at least?)


Boba-Fett30
Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:07 pm
#4
the bh pistol tree is more powerful than master pistoleer so pistoleer is really bad, but combine them and you are in buisness...people complain about getting BH pistol and master pistoleer but i find its awsome, got mind shot, geo pistol...i have like 131 spd, and i can shoot mind shot 4 times in 1-2 seconds with my scatter (1.7 spd) and 3 times with my geo. i have done some dmg with it. accuracy is way up. torso shot is awsome, stopping shot, fan shot, pistol whip...so pistoleer does lack skill by itself, which is a major problem



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Bumbofett
Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:56 pm
#5
This is the never ending battle of who has the right to have better pistol skills bh or pistoleer.......... well most of this bitching and complainin comes from the pvp battlefeild. This has been the downfall of Kds and the like... what never ceases to amaze me is that people keep on going at this... skill points to xp well what im trying to get at is in the end the Cm Riflemen will get you becausearmor and buffs still cant withstand a good posion lob and mind shot(mind damage is what pvp is about so cm are god!)
Imaridril
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:30 pm
#6




WillburWright wrote:

BH has, what, two trees using pistols. (Counting Marksman Pistols)And we have five! Shouldn't we be better? (With pistols, at least?)




I guess it depends on what you mean by "better". Sure, 0-0-4-0 BH has a lot of pistol accuracy and speed, and eye shot is nice, but BH doesn't get any dodge, they don't get any state defenses, they don't have an AOE attack like Fan Shot, and they don't get the certs for the Geonosian Sonic Blasteror the Republic Blaster.


Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Pistoleer doesn't need a lot of improvement, all I'm saying is that speed and accuracy aren't everything.






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Jibbrish
Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:38 am
#7
Pistoleer won't compare with Commando or Bounty Hunter well because a master pistoleer will have 158 skill pts left where a commando will only have 81 skill pointsand a bounty hunter will only have 33 skill pts left.

Don't think you're as strong as a BH, use the extra point you have to get there.



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Zsenyka
Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:17 am
#8

"I just ran it though the calc... and a DE-10 pistol 100min 400max damage (theoretical, they can go over 500 I do believe) would average 2250 DPS using the set up I just mentioned in my last post."


Now you are uberwrong. Even if we assume that average DE-10 pistols will have such a high damage and assuming they will have about speed of 3.9 the best you can reach (with master pistooler pistol speed 74) 700/800 DPS (before the resistances and armor penalties are calculated). The only way you could deal 2K damage would be to have a pistol you said which has a speed of 1.0 (lol) by using Last Ditch. Last Ditch has a so huge delay that makes it nearly unusable in serious combat. Not to mention it does random pool damage.


Try here and adjut the speed/dam as you wish. The 1.5x multiplier is calculated.


http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php?weapon_min=100&weapon_max=400&weapon_speed=1&pc_speed=74&class=Pistol


As for rifles, yea, cool, mastered it and dropped it and got back to pistooler cause i like pistols not rifles.




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Zsenyka
Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:24 am
#9
If you were referring to the Pistooler+BH combo when u calculated that insane DPS you said then yes, you are right. But i don't want to be a BH. I want to be a pistooler, and it is simply laughable that the master of pistols is much weaker with pistols than bounty hunter. And i'm not talking about BH being stringer than Pistooler i'm talking about BH being better WITH PISTOLS. Smuggler + Pistooler should be as good with pistols as a BH. With master pistooler + master smuggler you have 74 points of pistol speed. You cannot do serious damage with 74 pistol speed.



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WesBelden
Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:55 am
#10





Jibbrish wrote:

Pistoleer won't compare with Commando or Bounty Hunter well because a master pistoleer will have 158 skill pts left where a commando will only have 81 skill pointsand a bounty hunter will only have 33 skill pts left.

Don't think you're as strong as a BH, use the extra point you have to get there.





Alrighty, as for BHs, here's my generic answer to that line of thinking:

"If you want to discuss the use of SP, be my guest - let's look at the elite combat professions first - it takes 92 SP to master each one, all of which go into combat skills.


Now, Bounty hunter, it takes 217 SP to master, 77 of which are spent on master scout, 14 of which are spent on the investigation tree. This leaves 126 SP spent on combat ability, which is split three ways between carbine, pistol and LLC. meaning that 42 SP has been spent on each equally.


That means BHs should, going on just SP, be proficient as with each weapon as a Novice elite profession with one and a half skill boxes. ( 0-0-1-0 )


You may have noticed BHs are infact much better than this with each weapon they are able to use - so please, don't use the age old argument about SP requirements for BH "


As for Commando, couldn't agree more, as all their requirements are combat. A Master Commando should (tactical geniouses aside) defeat a pure elite combat master. Then again, a master commando vs say a tripple master should have their hands ful and possibley be at a disadvantage.



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WesBelden
Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:01 am
#11





BZebub wrote:

as a side note, i don't think bounty hunter should have ever been developed as a class like it is now. its really complicated things, and i don't think they worked out theproblems well enough to begin with.







The way they had skills set up initially (pre-Beta I believe), you could have taken the tree in investigation for BH along side trees from rifleman or other elite combat professions. This would have made far more sense to me, allowing the BH to choose how they wanted to hunt their marks rather than having trees that are basically re-hashes of already existing combat professions. Heck, under that system you could probably have had a Commando/BH, so those Jango/Boba Fett wannabees would have been in 7th heaven


It's a shame they removed that level of flexibility, but I guess there must have been problems that outwayed the benefits.



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Deplomatic
Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:49 am
#12

most of you misunderstand me...


i mean if there was no other profesion that could use pistols , then master would be way more powerfull becose pepole could not thake some crazy temple


IF bounty hunter had a RIFLE line the rifleman would probly be way weaker to all becose of pepole mid thake the bounty hunter line to....


so pepole who only want 1 combat proffesion are better of whit rifle man or one of the melee profs... which cost the same amount of skill points as carbineer or pistooleer .... BUT becose pistoleer and carbineer are in BH prof, that why thay are weaker for the same amount of skill points...





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Zsenyka
Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:20 pm
#13

"I guess it depends on what you mean by "better". Sure, 0-0-4-0 BH has a lot of pistol accuracy and speed, and eye shot is nice,


(YES!!!)


but BH doesn't get any dodge, they don't get any state defenses


(YES!!!)

, they don't have an AOE attack like Fan Shot


LOL, Fan Shot and all pistooler area attacks are unusable because while you can use them against easy opponents (say, stuffs under 10K) it is unusable against hard mobs cause if you u it they will all come for you lol


, and they don't get the certs for the Geonosian Sonic Blasteror the Republic Blaster.

LOL, they can get it easily... Novice Pistooler costs 6 skill points (Rep Blaster) and 0020 Pistooler slot costs 9 skill points (for Geo), so BH can obtain these weapons easily and the still have 18 points left to take something else. Pistoolers have no chance (master pistooler) to take any of the BH pistol tree.


Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Pistoleer doesn't need a lot of improvement, all I'm saying is that speed and accuracy aren't everything."


LOL, don't you find it quiet strange that at master level (Speed 74) pistoolers best DPS attack is HealthShot2???? Even taking Smuggler specials, Last Ditch has an evil delay so you can only use i to kill small enemies in one or two shots. It's unusable against hard mobs.




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