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Thread: BH posting on Pistoleer forum
Ok, I am getting tired of 3/4 of the post's on this forum (Pistoleer forum) being from Bounty Hunter's telling us to stop crying. So, I paid a visit to their forum, but did not post because I am not a bounty hunter. This is what I see, Bounty Hunter's Crying on why pistoleer's want to be better with pistol's then them, Bounty Hunter's Crying because the SPECIAL missions that only they get for nice cash are hard (nice cash, hint hint, it beat's killing the same mobs for 1600 credits for hours on end), and the biggest reason I see Bounty Hunter's crying on their forum is because of this post that I will clip for you:
[quote] 1. Why would other classes like Master Pistoleer, and Master Carbineer think that they should be able to take us down in a 1 on 1 fight? Seriously, is there *any* one on here that can give a legitimate reason that another class should be able to kill us fairly in a 1 on 1 fight? Sure there's luck involved... I mean Han solo, a smuggler takes out boba fett. But luck aside and talking generalization here, there's no other class that has to master two entire starting professions and then an elite profession. Not only that, but our starting and elite profession both have entire skill trees devoted to pistol and carbine. It's not like we're training for nothing here right? So seriously, if you think BH should be on 'fair' playing ground in a 1 on 1 fight with any other class... speak up and say why. I'm not looking to flame you or anything, but I'm definitely up for the debate.
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Seems like their number one complaint is that why doesn't EVERYONE see that Bounty Hunter's are suppose to be god's and the best player in the game. Here is a hint for you guys (and yes posting here since all of you post here anyways), IT'S BECAUSE IF BH WHERE GOD'S OF SWG, THEN THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR ANY OTHER CLASS! All class's have to be able to fight fair, 1 on 1 and have an equal chance to take down their oponent, otherwise every single person will be a Bounty Hunter and this would be called Bounty Hunter war's instead of SWG. Now back to your normally scheduled rant's and crying from BH's on the wrong forum 
Yeah Baby
It not just BH it seems that all other combat profession love to come in here and spam there B.S. about us.
Please we don't wanna hear it go back to your board and whine and cry there!
The mistake that BHs are making is in thinking that pistoleers (or any other combat class) have fewer points to spend them they do. We all have 250 points.
Sure it cost me less to get pistoleer than it cost them to get BH, BUT I'm also going to be a master creature handler and a pretty decent medic. SoI could legimately re-frame their question to be...
Why should a master of 2 elite classes (in my case pistoleer and CH) ever lose to a master of only onein a one-on-one battle?
The key is we aren't solely pistoleers. We're pistoleers + another elite profession, oftentimes BH, oftentimes CH, and always pistoleers + something. That is why we feel perfectly justified in our belief that we can and should be able kill a BH when things go well for us. Not 100% of the time, but enough to make the BHs think twice before opening up on us.
it seems that a good majority of the people that bother to come to these message boards whine and cry about things.
It takes hours to find anything worthwhile to read or constructive to the game other than "It's unfair I want blah blah.... "
What I don't understand is why don't they just go back to their forum and start posting for the dev's to fix their bugs, finding solutions to their problems? When I was there I think I saw a total of 2, Just 2, pistoleer's and they each made a single post, none of which was against them, if anything was sort of explaining a situation and another was trying to clear up a bogus lie about the exp needed for both class's.
Why do they have the urge to come here and shoot us down? we're minding out own business.
Bol, this always happens on forums of newly released games. It typically takes anywhere from 12-18 months before whiners and trolls drop off the boards (or at least lessen). So, if you are looking for good information and answers to questions it may take some time. There are good posts on these forums...although it is rare.
Heh heh, you can tell this scrub read one post and left
You apparently have no idea just how tough a mark is.
10k HAM, 1500 damage per hit on you (instakill), not to mention it takes about 30 minutes to get to them, and another 30 minutes to get back, thats at novice, once you start going up in the investigation tree, the marks start to get to where they are running, full speed, randomly into the distance, and you have to track them, taking approx 2 hours alone to track and kill them.
As novice reward, you get 5k for 1 hour of work and a tough fight.
As the investigation tree goes up, you have to start paying several K on seeker droids, as well as shuttle tickets, often taking 3 hours per mark, for a 10k reward, in which you actually only earn approx 4-5k after expenses, sometimes less.
So please, before you talk like we have it easy, do your research.
And to the guy asking why do BH have the ability to kill someone who has mastered 2 other classes.
Simple solution, our class is much harder to attain, and you are apparently no good at PvP, so give up and just go sit in a cantina and cry about your AoE knockdown costing too much or whatever it is you do.
~Do not cross a man, with nothing left to lose.
~Honor until death - No fear.
Ex Bounty-Hunter
BobaF377 wrote:
And to the guy asking why do BH have the ability to kill someone who has mastered 2 other classes.
Simple solution, our class is much harder to attain, and you are apparently no good at PvP, so give up and just go sit in a cantina and cry about your AoE knockdown costing too much or whatever it is you do.
Woah, nice misread. I was using that example to show how absurd the BH idea of "we shouldkill everyone 1-on-1 because our class takes more points" was. How much you put into your class either as pre-req's, or as elite classes shouldn't make you the ultimate killer.
Where ya got the no good at PvP part from that I have no clue.
Possibly from your statement about you being a CH+pistoleer and how you SHOULD be good enough to make a BH think twice.
Well, if you arent, then you arent any good at pvp, wasnt meant as an insult.
Why dont you ask the person who posted the excript from one of our posts, to post what we said in reply to him.
We basically told him (And I even got angry about what he said) that is not what its about, that we are actually no better than any of the other classes, its all about the approach, our class shouldnt be so good that the fights are won for us without even trying.
Right now, its that way for everyone, pistoleers get as many 1 hit KO shots as we do.
All of us told him that in a situation of BH 1v1 with a pure pistoleer, the BH should have the upper hand, but shouldnt always win if the pistoleer actually has the sense to know what to do, but if the pistoleer is dabbling in other classes as well, than it should be, and IS a very even fight, its just that you guys think since you are master in more than one class you feel that you should automatically win, and it doesnt work like that.
Bynder wrote:
BobaF377 wrote:And to the guy asking why do BH have the ability to kill someone who has mastered 2 other classes.
Simple solution, our class is much harder to attain, and you are apparently no good at PvP, so give up and just go sit in a cantina and cry about your AoE knockdown costing too much or whatever it is you do.
Woah, nice misread. I was using that example to show how absurd the BH idea of "we shouldkill everyone 1-on-1 because our class takes more points" was. How much you put into your class either as pre-req's, or as elite classes shouldn't make you the ultimate killer.
Where ya got the no good at PvP part from that I have no clue.
No kidding. Like it's TOUGH to master Scout and Marksman. I've gotten and thrown away enough XP to master both many times over - so what?
The ONLY thing the BH has to gripe about is that the Dev's were "kind" enough to pre-define the BH's "cookie-cutter" from day ONE. In it's own way, this is another HUGE advantage. The rest of us are going to have to try a lot of different things before we figure out what the "cookie cutter" is for all the other classes, and the BH's will be WAY ahead of us since their path is well defined and ours isn't. THIS is the reason I don't listen when BH's whine about "Oh, we have to master TWO uber hard classes just to GET BH! Master Scout was SO HARD!"
Bah.
Boba,
Where are you seeing any pistoleers saying that they seriously thing they should kill anyone everytime??? My quote about mastering 2 elite professions was to show how SILLY the BH contention was. I wasn't actually suggesting that we should be able to kill anyone anytime.
Here's the quote from the post that started this thread...
All class's have to be able to fight fair, 1 on 1 and have an equal chance to take down their oponent, otherwise every single person will be a Bounty Hunter and this would be called Bounty Hunter war's instead of SWG.
The complaint being made is that bounty hunters seem to think they should be able to 1-on-1 kill anyone in the game because they "worked harder".
I'm a BH/Master Pistoleer/Novice Medic. I had all four of the BH pistol skills but dropped the 4th one to make room for Master Pistoleer and keep Novice Medic (I love Stim-B's =D) Anyway, I really am starting to get ticked off about how dense and single minded some of the BH's out there are. Here are the main arguments a BH will throw at you when you discuss anything with them:
BH:I need 40k Combat XP!
Answer: I have no idea who started this, but 40k Combat XP is not that hard to get. Like I said earlier I dropped BH pistol 4 the other day. I already have another 370k Pistol XP and I haven't done ANYTHING as of late (game has no late game whatsoever). That means I have around 37k Combat XP that I got by accident. Also for those of you who still think Combat XP is so hard to get, look at the far right hand pistoleer tree, 60k, 80k, 120, 150k Combat XP.
BH: Marks are insanely hard.
Answer: They don't seem that hard to me. If they are that hard, then they should lower the marks difficulty not increase the BH killing power. Hey lets screw everything up to balance out one thing, that's a great idea! Needless to say this is among one of the worst points I have ever heard from BHs.
BH: I need to Master TWO professions just to become a BH.
Answer: This is true, but guess what, you aren't mastering Artisan to become a BH you are mastering very useful skills. I see these BHs act as though the skill points spent to get to BH just evaporated into thin air. As a Novice BH I am guranteed to have Terrain Negotiation 50 which means I can go up hills as if they weren't there, Hunting 4 which translates into more info when you examine a mob. So people might not use examine yet since the lower level mobs don't have that many resitances, but later on when you are on dathomir taking on Nightsisters that on average are immune to all but 2 types of damage it's pretty important to know whether or not you are even going to be doing any damage. Ranged Weapon Support gives accuracy bonuses across the boards and some small defense bonuses also. Needless to say most of those skill points were not wasted, and most pistoleers, if the yare smart, have half of the skills needed to become a BH anyway because they are so useful. The only things I would think about dropping if I didn't need them to become a BH would be Traps, maybe camps, and maybe rifles since LLC doesn't get the rifle bonuses if I'm not mistaken. Also there is one other thing. A master BH is better at the pistol then a Pistoleer, better with a Carbine then a Carbineer and is probably better with the LLC then a rifleman (Assuming LLC wasn't bugged) Add up how many skills points it would take to become a master of all 3 of those, plus exploration/hunting/and ranged support, and how much XP and Combat XP and then compare it to a BH. Yeah doesn't seem to fair now does it?
BH: I am supposed to be the best at PvP
Answer: I have nothing to say to this one since it is just too stupid for words.
Syrah
Mmm, where to start.
Firstly lets see...
Cookie Cutter class? ROFL. Best laugh I have had all day.
Let me tell you, it is QUITE an advantage as you like to call it, having to master one entirely useless tree of skills, and then having to master 2 more trees on master marksman that are entirely useless.
Use some sense before you post.
Where do you get off saying that its HARDER to be a pistoleer with 2 classes to FIND OUT which combo is better.. How stupid can you be?
Pistoleer + Medic = Super offense and defense, Super healing.
Pistoleer + CH = Super offense, best defense in the game.
There are two, I'm sure if you go on either one, your going to stick with it, I guess I saved you weeks of work. No thanks necessery.
And lets see, you guys like to hit on us talking about it being harder to get our status, heres the thing, you are right, its not hard to master 2 useful trees, and 7 useless trees.
Its the fact that 7 of the trees are completely useless to anything we do as BH.
By the time we are Master BH, we have 33 skill points left, because we have had to waste so many points on completely useless skills.
Ive got a task for you, take your pistoleering butt, and unlearn everything except for Master Pistoleer.
Now go earn master entertainer, and use the rest of your points into dancer or musician, until you have exactly 33 points left.
Then go use your 33 points on what you NEED aside from pistoleer, and see howmuch you like it for a week.
I guarantee, come day 2 you will say "Wow, these BH's werent lying, this sucks."