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Thread: Ranged + melee defence.. c'mon this is getting sick..

Bumbleb33tuna
Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:51 pm
#1

I am a master gunfighter, rogue, and fencer. I went aginst a TKM/Sharpshooter tonight and im guessing he was dabbling some more ranged defence. He ran out of the building im like... woah im buffed, he has 500 health and action and i have 3k/3k/1300 pools this should be easy. Then after missing with 17 strait shots using my rebublic blaster while we were both standing still... then i hit him wiht startle and then missed him 6 more times as he im guessing came back form being afk or was just playing wiht me killed me in the span of 5-6 seconds with his jawa.. Is it me or does Ranged defence need a good nerf beating, i mean not totally but this has happend before, once u ge over 150 ranged D pistolier is a waste of my pools and i just /burstrun or get close enough to fight with fencer (every hit lands mostly). I think it just just not stack anymore or rethought, i mean **edit** is ranged defence anyway? anyone know what skill a person learns that'd make another person less accurate and what makes a guy be able to turn into unhittable just because he collects a few more boxes then most of us have.


Well thats just my gripe with the situation with that


/rant&ravemode off

Aeryke
Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:02 pm
#2

Were you in CoB? I seem to find Pistoleer/Fencers harder to hit than Rifle/TKA specs. If he hit you that many times in a row, I'll be he was centered and you were not.




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Scott_Ray
Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:07 pm
#3

Just because you do not know how to use the skills that you have to beat him, doesnt mean a nerf is in order.



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SanTsu
Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:28 pm
#4

Come on scott_ray nothing personal here but dont you think you might be a little biased. I mean after all you have one of the templates everyone is complaining about.


Im not taking sides in this but your post seemed a little out of line considering.




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BeWary
Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:32 am
#5

I was with Tuna on this occasion and there was a point in time where 5 of us were pounding on him ( 2 of us with a commando/rougue/pistoleer template) for a solid 2 minutes, we hit twice between us.

Next time I came from the cloner all I did was hang back and spam delays at him. He killed me last and I hit once the whole time.

I know the wielder of this template and he is a great guy, but freakin un-hittable. Tell me this is balance.



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Bumbleb33tuna
Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:18 am
#6

Well for one this isn't the first time i was facing this stacker. I've trayed a DX2 at close range 15m (Still ganked me with mind hit up to 25m, thank you soe for the server lagg its brillant) and a fwg5 and i also used a Scatter when i still had it, same outcome. Also use my points? you mean pick up a few flavor of the months and stack mods to make me unhittable? I a master with my pistol and soon to be a master of fencing and your telling me just cause you stack a mod I won't be able to hit you? what do you want me to do using my pistol, are you listening i can't hit him. Even if i do i can hit him for last ditch for like 350-400 if hes not wearing armor big deal. Pistolier is gimped thats a well know fact and im still gonna be with it cause im a gunfighter by nature i love my pistol, its just kinda distrubing when i don't even get a chance. I don't mind to lose but when it is impossible to win with my pistol i find it disturbing. I mean what if I was a pistolier and a tka couldn't hit me with those fist that put out more dmg then a gun that shoots fleshmelting fire and couldn't even hit me... it'd be caos on the street! Im not yelling nerf im yelling balence for god sakes balance. Oh and yes I have +100 KD and +80 dizzy. The KD defence works great usally it takes a tka at least 10 hits before i go down but since dizzy seems to stick almost eveytime that doesn't really help me at all. I know what u think your ranged run away blah blah blah, how many of your guys have acually played as a pistolier and tryed kiting? Its not that i know how to use my profession cause thats what everyone thinks, i've beat more TKM's then you will ever know but it takes alot of statigy and the only good "working" shots i have to take one down do don't tell me how to play my profession... but what should my statigy keep 40m away and keep shooting until the game glitches and u land a last ditch for 4k points of dmg? Ranged stacking vs. Pistol and im sure alot of other ranged professions seems a bit unfair and I think the devs should revaluate the current situation and balance but i guess they will for the upcoming balance, but who knows how long that'll take.


PS. i know i didn't use correct puncuation or paragraphs and im sure thats the first thing you will pick apart and use it to degrade my intelegence so half fun and IM ñøT  £ñG|_Χ|-| T£Â©|-|£® |-|£®£ §ø |_ÎG|-|T£ñ µø

Scott_Ray
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:28 am
#7

Yes and it isnt a template that is hard to beat if you know what to use, he has all the tools he needs available. And this is a template I have been working on since launch, but have been too busy with my mining business to work on itmuch, I'm finally getting high skills in both. So no attacks on my profession choice please.



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Scott_Ray
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:36 am
#8

However I do agree it is a bit too easy to stack, The Stances and Grips line in Fencer gives too much of both for the points, it needs to be spread out a little, as do dodge bonuses and other mods. Better than a nerf I think.



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TegoH
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:43 am
#9

Hmm...did you use any of your unarmed skills to debuff this person? Intimidate & Warcry are your friends against anyone hard to hit. Get some Bio-clothes too with bonuses in those areas (form fitting undershirt & rank sash allow you to wear them plus full armor) for a better chance to stick.


Your correspondent said you had all the skills you need to put up a good fight...theyare right...though I would have thought they would have been a little more forthcoming with the tips instead of saying what they did...


Have fun!


T. Holtzmann


TegoH
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:44 am
#10

My bad...I thought it was the pistoleer correspondent giving you a hard time...didn't read close enough.
BeWary
Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:11 pm
#11



Mojowookie wrote:
Questions about the scenario... Were either or both of you running around? Why on earth would you use a Republic Blaster? At least on my server, they are the most inaccurate pistol you get with 0/-50/0 (at least a few I have seen).





Just to clarify, the template we are concerned with isn't the Fencer/gunfighter combo, it's the TKM/Sharpshooter combo. Yes we were all runnin and gunnin, one doesn't let a TKM close if one can help it. Why the Rebuplic? I dunno, I do know that I was using my launcher, then switched to my FWG for better speed. Didn't help with my hit rate.



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KnightHawk420
Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:37 pm
#12

Intimidate, warcry, stun can be your friends. They will counter such defenses. Particuarrly intimidate and stun.


Also as much as possible you should try and close to melee range with them. The accuracy isn't really bad if your right up close with a good weapon. DX2 and republic blasters are horrible choices against these guys. A scout blaster will be far more unfriendly to them as the accuracy is way better.


Most opponents our range doesn't seem to make a huge difference, but I can tell you when fighting against an opponent with high level defenses closing the gap is a good thing.





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BeWary
Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:47 pm
#13

Are you seriously suggesting running up to a TKM? That doesn't seem right somehow.



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