Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Balence needed NOW
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Hons-Isi
Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:44 am
#1
I've been around the block with professions...I have been 2134 BH, 3342 Commando, And right now I'm a TKM and plan on keeping it. My expericance with TKM has been great, if there is any one profession in this game that actually works as intended it's TKM. Mostly all specials work exactly as intended and those which don't are not bugged too bad/doesn't matter. TKM is really great but i'm just kind of bored with it. Anyway this is a Pistol post not a TKM let me change the subject here. When i first bought this game about 2 months after it had been released, the first line i went up was pistols. I've always had a soft spot for it. So now after dabeling in so many other things i've begun the quest for Pistoleer. I'm a 0032 Pistoleer atm, and i plan on doing the smuggler line as well. Anyway, i've been reading posts and experimenting myself, now granted i'm no where near master pistoleer, but i remember being at the same place in TK and being relatively effective in pvp, as a matter of fact and go as far as to say that i was good at 2132. Pistoleer however... completely useless! I can't do anything! I was using my 179 max Tangle in pvp the other day and even with comp vuln to it i watched the guy with buffs regen the health faster than i could dish it out... THIS IS INSANE! When a rifleman can hit your mind for 500 damage a second, and we're stuck hitting the least desireable pool at rates that are countered by the persons stats alone! Pistols need MAJOR fixing. I've thought about it and i believe a serious speed increase would help and is needed. But problems run deep and i'd have to think/read a lot more to develop any real fix ideas. Something needs to be done ASAP though.
JohnMarble
Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:08 pm
#2
Other night I ran into a guy in a cave and he asked me to kill him because he was diseased. He's crawling along the ground naked and I'm spamming specials at him, healing myself, spamming some more--and I was sort of embarassed how long it was taking to hurt him in any way. I actually apologized. The next day I saw another pistoleer doing the sameroutine in town, except he had people laughing at him as he tried to kill some naked guy. We're such jokes.
I've needed killed myself, had people wack me or shoot me in the head and I'm incapped in one shot. It's really sad.
Karbal
Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:24 pm
#3
The ONLY way to be effective in pvp with pistoleer vs buffed opponent is if you take the bounty hunter pistol line and snag eyeshot. Opponent wearing composite?? Just peel out that trusty geo blaster or powered up tangle and launch a mind bleed shot (granted it's not super strong) and throw eyeshot down range. Even if they have a mind buff from an entertainer it won't take too long to drop em.
Karbal
Master Gunfighter
EX Master Bounty Hunter - Now 3 0 4 0
SithSaberMaster
Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:13 pm
#4
Thank doctor buffs and uber armor for the current mess pvp is in. The rifleman\swordsman advantage in pvp is being removed soon b/c the mind pool will be healable(SOE really knows what they are doing).......oh what fun it is going to be to run around shooting for 10 minutes just to kill one damn player. 
With the new geno pistol, pistoleers should be decent in pvp.....if you can find a schematic or have trillions of credits to buy a good one. Wow now thats what I call balance. Just like anything that is good in this stupid little game, the schematic\resources never drop, spawn or they are bugged so the end result is absolutely insane prices i.e. geno pistol, RIS armor, Kryat loot. SOE really knows what is best for server economy don't they?
But most of all, ARMOR needs to be balanced. There should be multiple armor types that are comparible to composite(55% base)but all armor types should have a vulnerbility. i.e. composite should always be vuln. to stun, and say fix the RIS armor to have stun resist...but say vulnerable to heat or acid ect. and add new armors as well. That way *stun* will not be the pvp ownage damage type.
GG, SOE.
clinique
Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:19 pm
#5
mcprimetime i totally agree with you.....it does help us template wise. In my opinion though the other guys are right. Its funny riflemen shoot faster or just as fast as me....lol. We really need to get our specials fixed cause almost all are broken but after the combat balance i will be really interested in seeing how we match up with others.
Hawaii5_o
Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:16 am
#6
I'm a master and have been hangin out in the Geo cave lately. Yesterday I was in there and there was a Master Rifleman there also, near the entrance. The spawns were fairly slow and everyone else was at the bottom of the cave, so it was just him and I. A crazed Geonosian would spawn and we would start spamming our favorite shots. I was using my best, fastest pistol and of course he was using his T-21. He was out damaging me 5 to one. When I solo these guys I get 5k xp per kill (sometimes more). With the Master Rifleman I would get just over 1000xp out of a possible 5k! And to top it off, I never got looting rights (of course). It's so pathetic. I'm not saying that Rifleman are over powered (well, they are too fast), I just want our DPS to match that of the other ranged elite. It sucked.
MCPrimetime
Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:20 am
#7
Guys, learn to start using HS2 and BS3 again, and make sure you have a geo blaster. They have been unnerfed. I logged on for an hour last night and wasted 3 riflemen with it (and they were still melee stacked). I didnt even have to use my TKA.
I'm not disagreeing we are underpowered as a single profession, but you have to assume 80% of us have something else to use in conjunction with it. But when mind damage is changed and jawa's become electric, things wont be that bad. I fully believe we are the best class to create well rounded combat templates with.
Message Edited by MCPrimetime on 03-26-2004 03:24 PM
Cons_rebel_honor
Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:47 pm
#8
maybe pistoleer is weak ..that is why u need to mix it up a bit ..with pistoleer smugger u will have all kinds of control in battle, but if they are buffed u will not beable to harm them unless you get a mind attack, but with the extra points u have left u can keep tk and use its mind hits when u have them ranged dizzy knocked down(lowblow). Just need to learn a bit, yes it is buggy but i believe with all its bugs it is one of the best support proffessions.
Hawaii5_o
Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:21 pm
#9
LowBlow is not Dizzy KD, just KD. A Master Pistoleer can't even take out a standard Nightsister because we can't do any real kinetic damage, we target health pool primarily and they heal. We do disgustingly less DPS than Rifleman and Carbiner. We shouldn't have to mix it up w/ BH or Smuggler to be effective (and that's slightly effective at best).
Cons_rebel_honor wrote:
maybe pistoleer is weak ..that is why u need to mix it up a bit ..with pistoleer smugger u will have all kinds of control in battle, but if they are buffed u will not beable to harm them unless you get a mind attack, but with the extra points u have left u can keep tk and use its mind hits when u have them ranged dizzy knocked down(lowblow). Just need to learn a bit, yes it is buggy but i believe with all its bugs it is one of the best support proffessions.
Cons_rebel_honor
Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:11 pm
#10
yes we shoudl have to mix it up .....i think someone with rifle/armorsmith shoudl nto beable to beat a tk/fencer....it is what you invest your points into. I have no problem in pvp i am not overpowered and i can hold my own so i really do not know what you are complaining about. Go be pistol/BE and belive that a smuggler/tk/pistoleer should not beable to beat you...the fact is the more u invest into combat the better you are in combat...
Hawaii5_o wrote:
LowBlow is not Dizzy KD, just KD. A Master Pistoleer can't even take out a standard Nightsister because we can't do any real kinetic damage, we target health pool primarily and they heal. We do disgustingly less DPS than Rifleman and Carbiner. We shouldn't have to mix it up w/ BH or Smuggler to be effective (and that's slightly effective at best).
Cons_rebel_honor wrote:
maybe pistoleer is weak ..that is why u need to mix it up a bit ..with pistoleer smugger u will have all kinds of control in battle, but if they are buffed u will not beable to harm them unless you get a mind attack, but with the extra points u have left u can keep tk and use its mind hits when u have them ranged dizzy knocked down(lowblow). Just need to learn a bit, yes it is buggy but i believe with all its bugs it is one of the best support proffessions.
Hawaii5_o
Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:32 am
#11
Cons_rebel_honor wrote:
yes we shoudl have to mix it up .....i think someone with rifle/armorsmith shoudl nto beable to beat a tk/fencer....it is what you invest your points into. I have no problem in pvp i am not overpowered and i can hold my own so i really do not know what you are complaining about. Go be pistol/BE and belive that a smuggler/tk/pistoleer should not beable to beat you...the fact is the more u invest into combat the better you are in combat...
Hawaii5_o wrote:
LowBlow is not Dizzy KD, just KD. A Master Pistoleer can't even take out a standard Nightsister because we can't do any real kinetic damage, we target health pool primarily and they heal. We do disgustingly less DPS than Rifleman and Carbiner. We shouldn't have to mix it up w/ BH or Smuggler to be effective (and that's slightly effective at best).
Cons_rebel_honor wrote:
maybe pistoleer is weak ..that is why u need to mix it up a bit ..with pistoleer smugger u will have all kinds of control in battle, but if they are buffed u will not beable to harm them unless you get a mind attack, but with the extra points u have left u can keep tk and use its mind hits when u have them ranged dizzy knocked down(lowblow). Just need to learn a bit, yes it is buggy but i believe with all its bugs it is one of the best support proffessions.
Yes right now a smuggler/tk/pistoleer will be able to beat a Master Pistoleer. Here's the problem with that: Smuggler has no pistol mods like accuracy, speed, defenses etc, and they have all better pistol specials than Pistoleers and shouldn't. That basically negates why a Smuggler/Pistoleer should be able to beat a Master Pistoleer. If the professions were revamped the right way then smuggler wouldn't have the best pistol specials and thus they shouldn't be able to beat us. And what does TK have to do with anything? If I stay at 21m or farther then he won't hit me at all and I'll probably win. I hate defense stacking. It should all be weapon specific and not cross over. That would be the foundataion to a good combat balance. They need to start with making each single elite Marksman and Brawler class equally proficient (each in their own playing field of course). But Pistoleers are not proficient in PvP, you have to take BH Pistols or Smuggler DF to be decent. Sure we do fine in PvE, but if you look at the damage that a Rifleman is doing every second compared to you, it's sickening.
HouseSunstrider
Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:53 pm
#12
Pistoleer has some good stuff...
Fan shot is awesome for grinding FP on groups of NPCs
Stoping shot is great for one target
Also I think Pistoleer has some good defence versue state attacks
Even tho i use eyeshot alot in Pvp, Fanshot and stoping are very useful
Over all i dont think Master Pistoleer is strong by itself tho because pistols can be stacked...
Duel wield is goin to be great!
BH/ Master pistoleer
Yachew
Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:20 pm
#13
Rifleman shoot so much faster than us its rediculous. I thought of pistols as fast lowdamage weapons and rifles and slow highdamage weapons, but instead in SWG, pistols are slow and lowdamage and rifles are fast and highdamage. Each of the two professions should have its advantage and its disadvantage, and carbines should be somewhat moderate in both fields.
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