Pistoleer Archive
Thread: a 230+ pt pistol master
I been watching these boards for a while and I am shocked at what I see.
Why is everyone so against dabblers? This game allows it for a reason, they even say in the start up movie screen when we first loaded that u could be one OR ALL OF THEM.
I am a dabbler as u put it. I am Mas. Pistoleer, Smug 0/0/4/0, commando 4/3/4/0, and novice medic. I consider myself a pistol user first and foremost. When creating my combo... I did not choose what I chose to be uber and be a pvp god. I chose this combo, because at first I was a Master Architect and found out that I hated crafting... being far enough in the game to relize the mechanics, I decided to become nothing but combat.
I have always liked the feel of the pistol. I am a guy who just digs running and gunning. When building my char on a website and configuring point expenditures, I found that the pistoleer master was only about 92pts. I wanted more pistol, so I went through and found out about Dirty fighting... to me it is like adding another row of pistol (it even costs the same xp in the same increments), it seemed logical. I then had afew points left. The only other option was Commando ,after getting the mark master and brawler,for the great pistol. I decided on the grenades and flamethrower with a touch of heavy weapons for support tactics in war or more often pve.
I hear them scream about that dabblers should be stopped... WHY? Is this what u really want? It will be like Everquest. Might as well just go back to levels. It will be great, when we get to level 65 we all will be even no matter what u do and everyone will have the same armor and pull the same moves and wear the same titles...
I hear them yell about Masters meaning something. I am a master pistoleer with an XTRA line and an Exotic pistol. -does that not mean something? U start making specials not stack and u might as well have the smuggler line use a diff weapon. The great thing about this game is that u CAN interchange the specials, that u get bonuses from your other skills, and u can custom tailor to your wants.
I hear them yell about points... So they want to judge it on pts... does this mean that guys like me who have devoted 230+ pts to combat sould always win against a BH? I look at it as... If u are going against a Master of a pistol with a pistol and u yourself are not master then u should be disadvantaged unless u configured a comparable char. IE: BH Hybrid -a good thing in themselves.... My configuration makes me really slow on those mountains, I cannot build a camp, have to have someone with me to harvest anything....
I hear them yell about the weakness of masked titles.... I love not knowing what I am up against. -Note: it does give it away tho when uare a Novice Marksman holding a LLC. It works both ways... I am relatively low on the PVP scene right now and so have limited xp. I have run in to a town overt to have my butt handed to me when using a G5 or such and then try to tell the other guy 'hey it was a good fight' and have him ridicule me. I have been guilty of asking for a rematch when he does not shut up and surprise him with a KD and a Flame Thrower bleed without the DB. (for those who do not know... If u are cooking while incapped a good FT will make yer bars go black like disease). I am a gentleman ,but sometimes u have to coexist with that guy who talks in more numbers then letters...
I do not want to be the same. I want the ability to pick and choose as I see fit based on the pt allowance. I came up with the combo I have to be different. I see alot of Commandos, Pistoleers, and Smugglers.... I feel that I am none of them truly. I consider myself a Hybrid, I call it the Pistol Brigadier. ( and I run around with the title 'foreman' above my head). I am a guy that is highly trained in the pistol and can whip out grenades, heavy weapons, or a flamethrower as the situation needs. When it comes down to it I will always rely the most on my Launcher pistol and pistol specials. That is why I took them all- I wish not to be considered a smuggler who took only the DF line... but a Pistol major who went above and beyond Master pistoleer to get more training in more pistol tactics.
Uben Haum'Qui
pistol brigadier
Kauri
you know why i hate dabblers?
because I am a master marksman/master pistoleer and i did th ebest thing i thought possible as a leader of my guild to become a master squad leader.
then, becaus ei invested time and effort to HELP MY GUILD, i get laughed at by all you f'ing dabblers when you wanna be a smartass in PvP.
i had some guy with BH, smuggler, and pistoleer kill me in AH one day. No big deal, i win many figths against peopel who have better templates than me..its called skill. Anyway this guy manages to take me down, then he send me 3 tells proclaiming how great he is etc blah blah
why is he so great? because he chsoe and was able to take a PvP template and I wasnt?
please, spare me.
any schmuck can take a PvP template and win, Thats why i hate dabblers so much.
and i guess when i think of "dabblers" i tend to think of those peopel who mix combat professions for purposes of PvP
i really dont consider a DE/Armorsmith/Weaponsmith a "dabbler"
Well brother do what u WANT. I was the 3rd Master architect on Kauri. I did that for my guild. I have never told anyone I am great... I just asked to let me be. If u are not in a group and pvp, expect those guys who spent their points in more combat(single) to have an advantage. - as for skill... there will always be someone who has a better template or comparable to he who thinks he has the toughest.
If u helped out your guild, U CHOSE to help your guild and become usefull in that arena... If u are a weapon smith who dabbles in smuggling to slice your own weapons... u chose to become usefull in that arena.
If u choose nothing but combat that supports prior combat training... u chose that arena.
That is the beauty of it.Musicians are good in camps and cantinas... they suck with weapons unless they train. U will not see any bards taking out paladins here. If u find that u are tired of getting killed in pvp u can look at it in 2 ways...
A. That u keep getting killed and wish there was a nerf or increase to your skills...
B. That u are starting to PVP/PVE alot more and without the guildmates ,that have sporadic schedules and time constraints, your skills are being wasted. -If this is the case then u must configure to be nothing but combat. I know from firsthand expierience. I was an architect and was aspiring to be a master pistoleer.... One day I am sitting on a hill pulling from a nest watching the shadows fall and it occurs to me... 'when was the last time I built a house' I think back and it was months... I built mainly for the guild and a little loot... but I was not happy. That is when I came to the choice of combat.... I looked into it, decided I was paying and playing this game for me. U see, if I was an arch... I could only ever be a mas pistoleer.... I would be 50/50 sitting on the fence so to put it. I did not craft and found I loved PvE.... so I adapted to get maximum use out of my template based on the needs.
Form fits function.
Half an architect and half a soldier will not stand up to a 'pure blood killer'. A guy who takes all the speed he can get and accuracy to match with some heavy specials from the pistoleer andBH pistoltrees will be better geared towards using that pistol. The BH/pistoleer will never really master either, but with what he can stack in skills will be both equal in points and efficiency as a a guy who has a mas pistoleer/smuggler Df.
The only bad thing (besides the broken stuff in the trees and range quirkiness) is that more do not stack.
I would like to see the commando acid rifle become better and stack with rifle specials. Right now they have it the worst because they cannot get more... I would also like to see the LLC and FT become interchangeable.... this would start BH/Commando combos.. and that would be a heavy hitter indeed.
Uben Haum'Qui -BSS
Kauri
/rant off
The dabblers most are concerned with are those that canablize several professions without any intension of mastering anything just trying ot get what they think are the best elements out of them for PvP.
A BH/Smuggler/Pistoleer would be one such example, they take just enough BH to get the specials and mods. Same with smuggler and pistoleer. The devs never envisioned such combinations and so didn't design them in a fation that wouldn't encourge this. They disigned it to be as simple as they could get away with.
However dabblers by their very nature are abusing the game mechanics and tend to abuse the advantage it gives them. This causes those unaware of the situation to draw inaccurate conclusions about given classes.
For example, those calling for BH nerfs because BH's were overpowered were forming this opinion based on the actions of dabblers who were actually combining mods and specials from different profession in a manner that was overpowered.
This is the danger of dabblers. This is why the professions need to be balanced in ways the do not encourage the practice.
If you think about dabblers in this sense, most dabblers are indeed bred for combat. In combat, the one who lives wins. It's survival of the fittest essentially. If it were your life on the line, woudln't you train in various aspects of combat and skill in order to make yourself the most effective at combat so that you would not die??? You've got to think of things that way. Dabblers are smart. They are using the BEST possible tools and skills available inorder to live at their chosen lifestyle. If you are not going to be a strict PvP'er then quite complaining that someone who has chosen that route beats you. Realize that there are things that he/she cannot do that you can do. Shoud you nerf them or complain about them? No, you should instead realize that they have chosen a different route than you and their route is more suited for a fighting lifestyle than your own. PERIOD!
Currently I'm working on becoming a master pisoleer and I've already gotten expert BH. I'm trying to become the most effective person in pistols that I possibly can. I rarely do PvP... Why am I trying to become as good with a pistol as I can? Because I want to survive doing the missions that I do and be a more effective person in my guild missions and group hunts. I honestly could care less about PvP. In the grand scheme of things, really, does it advance my character any more??? No. It's just something to do between missions if you ask me.
Follow the path that will lead you to where you want to go. Don't follow a path that will lead you in an opposite direction and then complain the whole time that you're not going there. In this game, you can turn around, start over and redo your character as many times as you want. You should be able to find the best combination of classes and skills to have the most fun with...
There is nothing wrong with being a dabbler. There is something wrong with the devs making the master profession worthless. Since you HAVEto spend the skillpoints in all four trees of a profession to get master, the skills you aquire at master should be 4 times as good as any skill aquired in any one of the skill trees alone. But the devs are STUPID and are worthless. So i quit.
-Snape
/completely agree.
Everybody is a dabbler until you show me one person who went from their starting profession straight up to one Elite Profession and then stopped using skill points...