Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Wepps, your state of the profession report and it's answer's.
dcazman wrote:
Wow, I do not read this profession much but if I were Wepps I would not be happy. In my company this is something you could have takken offline. However you do write very well and so does Wepps it seems.
/Netchan...
I know what you mean dcazman, I was looking at their boards and clicked three posts and the three just happen to have BH's in there looking for way's to get pistoleer's nerfed. So I got pissed and looked as their state of the profession report and got pissed when he took a shot at our defensive increase when it's not even on live server's yet. he's trying to nerf something that hasn't been implemented yet. So I lost my cool completely and posted an answer for his 'state of the profession'. Who knows, like they make fun of our twirly guns, I wonder if they will give them a killcounter for their profession on this big patch /shrug. More power to them.
Bolanos,
As I said I do not know this board well but it sounds like you are not getting proper representation for Pistoleer from Wepps ? If that is the case andWepps is this boards rep and Wepps seems to be on another board more then hearI would be crazy mad <I do not know if any of this last sentance is true>.
Thank god I have Sin for Droids to keep me sane. Anyway, I should but out and let your profession handle this. My only thoughts are that maybe you should advise TH of your feelings if this board and profession share your feelings.
Be Well - I am butting out and back to Droids and Jedi,
/Netchan..
Want to clear one thing up -
"I believe only the Smuggler with their x7 damage low blow (?) is the only one shot killer for pistol attacks"
LowBlow is a KD attack and nothing in smuggler has a 7x dmg. LastDitch (which is a 4th level DF attack) does 5x. Thats the highest.
Voodoo27
Master Smuggler
Thank you for clearing that up for me Voodoo, that's why I put the (?) I wasn't sure on the number's, but I do know that everyong state's it's the most damaging pistol special in the game. That's why i used it unless I read it wrong.
And no, Wepps is not the pistoleer correspondent, our correspondent is a nice guy by the name of philosopher, or phil for short since I'm always forgetting how to spell his name. Just Wepps is starting to post over here, sort of like adding salt to the wound kind of thing, and he's on his board (BH) asking for people to post info that will get the pistoleer comunity nerfed. This was a post of frustration and anger towards their actions, like I posted, they're trying to crusify the pistoleer's and I'm only trying to shuve one nail into them so they know how it feels like. maybe then they'll stop and we can continue on trying to fix our profession without the worry of an outside influence working against our struggle's.
Guys I think the best thing you can do is just to leave Wepps alone and not to flame him personally. I can understand why you're frustrated, because he is spreading a lot of misinformation. If you want to respond to his threads and provide more accurate information, that's fine. But let's not start a flame war or anything like that. As Pistoleers we aren't going to follow his lead and call for nerf wars. We wish the Bounty Hunters well and just want our own profession to be fixed.
If it makes you guys feel any better, I've spent several hours over the last couple of days responding to posts just like this one on the Correspondent Forums. I'm trying to keep those debates on the Correspondent Forums, for obvious reasons, but please know that I have done the best I possibly can to correct a lot of this inaccurate information and to present our concerns. Just because I'm not responding out here doesn't mean that I haven't written several pages worth of responses elsewhere. 
Now hopefully I can spend a little bit less time responding to misinformation and spend more time writing the "State of the Profession" post! It's hard doing all of this on top of my regular job.
Phil, how can you stay calm when he is OPENLY stating that he is looking for SS that will help him NERF other professions? If you don't believe me here, he posted this:
"No, sorry, this post isn't for you to add your personal griefs. This is to get changes made to the system which will benefit the survivability of this profession given the skill points expenditure.
In the past this was not an issue for me, but now with the coming insurance system, it's a major problem and needs to be addressed. We need proof that these things are taking place more often with this profession than any other in order to further their development to accomidate the needs of the Bounty Hunter.
We already know this. This post will prove it.
And I will be making further posts in a series until enough data is collected to get the fix, regardless of you and other players attempts to hijack and disrupt these threads."
Like if his profession was the only one that required hard work. Like if the coming Insurace system ONLY affected BH and everyone else was insurance exempt. It's frustrating and irritating to see someone who is suppose to be fighting to fix the game and the professions scrounging around looking for ways to nerf everyone. Philosopher, I respect you as much as Jaegen, your both great men, I'll stop here and not post anymore if that's what you truely wish for. But at least PM me and tell me how you can stay so calm when you know SOE will listen to this nerfherder because everyone know's that his baggering is so irritating even the dev's don't want to deal with it so they do what he asks just to please him and quiet him down.
Now, I'll try to clarify some of the responses as one needs to be a BH to really understand what he was talking about in some instances.
Bolanos said:
"Last time I saw a bounty hunter spam mind shot, your so called underpowered special, he laid waste to dozen's of people before they finally took him down, I didn't see him having any trouble with ham cost's."
My response: Unless he was buffed I don't see how he could have laid waste to "dozens" of people. With 800 action pool and virually noregen (due to armor) I would not be able to spam any BH or Pistoleer special more then 8-9 times without requiring a heal. That's at the most 3 people if they are not wearing armor.
Bolanos said:
Actually, the entire profession tree was designed for casual 'solo' player's. Not just Bounty Hunter. Any profession can solo, so this arguement is null
The argument is not null, the investigation tree is SOLO hunting of 10-12K HAM marks. You can not group with anyone to do them. Also, we have to travel to different planets to hunt our marks. So insurance and death penalty has a bigger effect on us, because we are more exposed. On one of my last few missions on Dathomir I had nightsister witches warp on me THREE times on my way to hunt my mark. That was 3 trips to cloning center 
. Ditto for pirates on Lok, melek whatever on Endor, so on and so on.
Bolanos said:
"Last time I checked, yes, you where able to take creature PvE missions...Now, if you do not get investigation from these missions so choose not to do them because of this, that is an entirely different thing and you should not mismark it as such. "
The point here was that BH was supposed to make their money doing investigation missions. It takes between 250 - 300 game hours to do investigation line alone, so doing PvE missions on top of that for money is what the complaint was about. At investigation 4, you make 13K per mission, subtract 8.5K for travel (worst case), 1K for cloning, 600cu for droids, you are not left with much for 45 mins - 1hr mission. That is not including cost of stims, buffs if you use them, wear and tear on weapons and armor, that is also the reason for complaint on insurance to boot.
Bolanos said:
I also find that line amusing because every time someone get's owned in PvP with eyeshot, pistoleer's get yelled at, not BH.
That is absolutely not true. Why do you think that there were suggestions to move eye shot to master BH? The reason some BHs are very anti-dabbler is because of Pistoleer/BH Pistol Line running around with the Expert BH tag and causing us the get nerfed (the popular belief).
Now, some things on the post I do not agree with. I don't think BH is the 98 pound weakling at this time. However, if the defenses on test center come live AND are effective then it just might unbalance the BH. The reason supposedly BH did not have any defenses is because of our offensive capabilities. If our offense is nullifed, yeah then I'll agree that we were gimped.
And, I am not talking about combinations of skill lines Pistoleer/Smuggler/Tera Kasi or Pistoleer/Smuggler/commando is a formidable combination and even then we have a chance to come ahead if we get the first shot in (kinda one trick pony).
However, if we can't do anything due to defenses, then why have we spent all these skill points for these special attacks. I am talking about basic elite professions. Let's take pistoleer for example, if we both use pistols most probably the pistoleer will come up ahead. However a BH would use carbines for state changes, then switch weapons and finish off with another weapon. Now, if none of our attacks would work, while we ourselves have no defenses, yes I'd tend to agree that we are gimped.
Time will tell, as no one at this point has run tests that I am aware of regarding the defenses at the test center.
Torso shot does NOT have a dizzy effect....burn yes, health damage, yes, dizzy, no. Get your facts straight. Stopping shot and fan shot are MUCH more powerful than any BH pistol move. Granted, they are random pool damage, but I just acquired them the other day and can solo the majority of creatures on Dathomir in less than 20 seconds. This is nearly impossible for BHs. Get over yourselves.