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Thread: BH or smuggler with pistoleer?
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Bennifer
Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:44 pm
#1
Ok i was looking at templets, should i go
Mpistoleer/Smuggler
Or
Bh pistols/Mpistoleer
One i can get medic, the other i cannot
pnjpenguin
Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:03 am
#2
If you can obtain some speed or accuracy clothing or armor tapes than go for smuggler. If not I'd say BH pistol 3 with novice medic.
Bridonar
Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:02 pm
#3
I believe it depends entirely on what you intend to do with this char.
BH/pistoleer is good for PvP, as you get eye shot and awesome speed. However, you cannot be a medic, unless you only get pistols III.
Smuggler/pistoleer is more PvE IMHO. You get feign death, get to use stims (maybe even go up in the medic tree to use stim Ds) and get some rather powerful pistol attacks.
Don't get me wrong, BH is very useful for PvE also. You get a nice fire attack, and have good defenses. I do not think it is as useful for PvE as BH though. My final verdict would have to be BH, because of the superior speed and the ability to do well in both PvP and PvE. Maybe even get BH pistols III and get novice medic. Anyway, my two creds 
1Kylekatarn1
Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:32 pm
#4
If you take smuggler, you can go Master pistoleer, DF in smuggler, novice medic, and novice commando (which lets you use the launcher)
Raptor2k1
Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:52 pm
#5
I like smuggler myself. Lowblow, panic shot, and last ditch attack are invaluable abilities... not to mention you have your 'get our of jail free card', feign death.
thekismet
Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:44 am
#6
no its not this is what i do
Low blow , then panic shot when the target is down. That way they get the delay while KD
Currently Master Smuggler , Master Pistoleer, All of marksman minus Rifles IV playing around with skill point calculators atm...
And hiting a agro mob with panic if a group members gets incap helps too.
http://swg.allakhazam.com/db/charbuild.html
RazorBlade79
Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:20 am
#7
But before the panic nerf, your target would stay down, even if you shot it.
I was master smug/master pistol and here is one hint for that; if you can't afford speed tapes like myself, always try to get speedsliced weapons and 30% speed powerups. At least for PvP. It seems most people think damage is better than speed, but if you fool around with the damage calc you'll find that speed is far more important for this combo.
BH pistol gives awesome speed and a mind attack. I just picked up BH and still have to figure how everything works though. I guess just getting master marksman with master pistol should help somewhat too, because of the +5 speed in the box.
So how about master marksman/pistol/smuggler?
I was master smug/master pistol and here is one hint for that; if you can't afford speed tapes like myself, always try to get speedsliced weapons and 30% speed powerups. At least for PvP. It seems most people think damage is better than speed, but if you fool around with the damage calc you'll find that speed is far more important for this combo.
BH pistol gives awesome speed and a mind attack. I just picked up BH and still have to figure how everything works though. I guess just getting master marksman with master pistol should help somewhat too, because of the +5 speed in the box.
So how about master marksman/pistol/smuggler?
Morath360
Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:49 am
#8
Bridonar wrote:
BH/pistoleer is good for PvP, as you get eye shot and awesome speed. However, you cannot be a medic, unless you only get pistols III.
Smuggler/pistoleer is more PvE IMHO. You get feign death, get to use stims (maybe even go up in the medic tree to use stim Ds) and get some rather powerful pistol attacks.
Don't get me wrong, BH is very useful for PvE also. You get a nice fire attack, and have good defenses. I do not think it is as useful for PvE as BH though. My final verdict would have to be BH, because of the superior speed and the ability to do well in both PvP and PvE. Maybe even get BH pistols III and get novice medic. Anyway, my two creds
There is only one way that BH works effectively in PVP. Only if you are grouped with strong pvpers. I dropped BH pistols. I worked my tail off getting it too. I just sold my 2 mill scatter as well. While BH pistols looks sexy. Speed, Accuracy etc. However, in pvp you are much better off taking the smuggler line and grabbing defenses elswhere.There is no substitute for good defenses. I pvp'd extensivley with Master Pistoleer/BH pistols and the rifle/tka/master Pistol/Smuggler DF templates. I was stronger on every front.with the latter.
My 440 scatter was good for only one thing, recking armor. Eyshot is very overrated especially compared with rifle's head shot with the ap3 weaps. The mods are the same but the weaps are so different. If you are set on making pistoleer your main damage dealer, then you will be dissapointed in pvp with BH pistols unless you have godly weapons. In PVE pistols are great imho. Smuggler pistols are even better there. Really no matter how you slice it, the smuggler line is better. PVP because you have skill points left for defenses and PVE because you have FD.
Also, I chose not to waste points on novice medic and I have never missed it. Instead I find tka med better and you can really use the defenses in the tka line anyway so why not at least get meditate 2. Get med4 and you do much better than novice medic because not only do you have wound healing but you have poison and disease curing as well as powerboost and Force of will. These far out weigh novice medic especially if the plan is to beef up defenses with TKA anyway. I can't stress enough the importance of defenses. It just plain stinks lying on your back the whole fight from posture change dizzys or just the good old fashion kd dizzy. Thakitillo is way too filling and it cannot counter the posture change dizzy combo effectively.
Message Edited by Morath360 on 06-21-2004 06:52 AM
HouseSunstrider
Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:32 am
#9
Hmm BH or Smuggler? How about both? Pistoleer0040 Smuggler0040 BH0040 Novice Commando....I think that this template is more of a master pistoleer then the really thing
Morath360
Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:49 am
#10
Well your choice but your ranged defense is +17 and your melee defense is +4.You may want to use this.. its cool.
http://swgcb.yogn.net/
Soulblighter89
Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:21 am
#11
I currently have master pistoleer / bh pistol 3 / novice brawler and i fare pretty well in pvp, but im intrigued by this post and im thinking about smuggler but want to know more. I am very interested in pvp, but with the combat rebalance coming soon (supposedly), i dont want to go into a FOTM only to have it harder to get out of it and into something good in the future. I want to know exactly what the strategy for a master pistol / master smuggler is, i understand that defenses are huge but they are useless at the same time if you cant dish out any damage, especially to the mind pool.
Oh, and just a comment regarding speed, at master pistol / bh pistol 3 you have hit the speed cap so speed tapes and whatnot will do nothing for you.
Oh, and just a comment regarding speed, at master pistol / bh pistol 3 you have hit the speed cap so speed tapes and whatnot will do nothing for you.
Obeewana_Doobie
Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:27 am
#12
Thats a great idea on the TKA...I'm dropping Novice doc so I can go MP/MS/TKA. Does anyone know if the Melee Damage Mitigation comes into play when you are still holding a pistol?
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