Pistoleer Archive

They should be able to use ALL pistols in the game including scatter and launcher pistols.

More pistols ? Sure I agree.

Same pistols as BHs and Commandos ? No way.

Your right it should be that way...but it's not. The Devs have already identified that the Pistoleers will need...and hopefully get....their own class specific pistols that we can use and they cannot. Then the BHs and Commandos will have something new to complain about. That the already "overpowered" pistoleers will have a high end pistol that they cannot use.

I'm a BH and I've never once cried about not being able to use the DX2. Number of certs doesn't matter to me. The quality of weapons I already have access to does. I feel that for the certs I get as a BH (which is plenty I know) the types of damage matter to me than just mere total number of certs. I've got a cert for a spraystick. . . does that mean I use one all the time? No. I've got a cert for a SR Combat Pistol. Will I ever wield one. . . probably not I have no need for it. I don't think more weapons is the answer. As Pistol users we already get a ton of certs already. . . what will more do? I say "we" because I'm a pistol user just like you and I get the same number of Pistol certs as you do which is 10. While advancing up the pistol discipline I was amazed at just how many pistols are already available to us.

All specialized ranged combat classes get one extra cert when they hit novice.

Carbineers get the elite, Riflemen get the T21 and Pistoleers get the DX2 (which is AR1 and acid damage which not too many things have resists for so it's very good)

Pistol users already get many many pistols. Pistoleers get more pistols than carbineers get carbines and riflemen get rifles. There are 9 different certs from the pistol discipline in the marksman tree. You (and us since we have pistol spec just like you) get pistols that do heat, kinetic, stun, energy and acid damage. Heck the tangle pistol is gold. Who cares about crappy stats it does STUN damage and is the only gun in the game that does. Stun damage is the total bane of armor because I think no armor protects against it. Got something that has super high resists to many damage types. . . whip out the stun. We are the only guys who can do that. Carbineers and Riflemen are outta luck.

Coupled with the high speed of pistols, the speed mods given to pistoleers and bounty hunters pistols are great weapons. IMO I think there are enough certs.

If however you have every single pistol and still feel you need more then this is an issue to take up with the devs.

This is not meant as a flame but why should you care about a cert for the Launcher and Scatter Pistols. "Because it's a pistol and I'm a pistoleer and I should use it" doesn't cut it with me. You already have 10 certs. 2 more isn't the answer and won't change much. What will a scatter pistol cert do for you? It is AR1 and does acid damage. . . isn't that what the DX2 is. Why do you need it if you already have another gun THAT DOES THE EXACT SAME THING. If the scatter does more damage (I don't know. . . never seen a DX2) slice it and power it up. IfI were a pistoleer (which I'll probably do with another character eventually) I could care less about the scatter pistol and the launcher pistol. The launcher pistol is a heavy weapon and as such is the realm of the commando. Yes the LLC is a heavy weapon also but some BH's feel it should be a rilfle (and I'm beginning to agree with them)

Commando's can't use every single heavy weapon (no LLC) so there are other professions that cannot use certain weapons that fall into their category.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I'm sure I'll get flamed simply because I'm a BH posting on the Pistoleer boards and I don't agree with a thread on this board calling for more power. . . I understand that.

I'm so sick and tired of this Pistoleers vs BH nonsense. I'll be the first to admit that I'm guilty of engaging in it myself. I've been accused of whining and accused you guys of whining. Who cares. Not everything revolves around PvP which is where every single "nerf the overpowered (insert profession here)" cry comes from. I'm so sick of this stupid non constructive "nerf this nerf that" crap that goes on between our 2 professions. There are enough game breaking unfixed bugs that we don't need more junk to added to the mix.

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atimes wrote:

I'm a BH and I've never once cried about not being able to use the DX2.

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why would you want to over the scatter?!?

please read my entire post.

If you feel the dx2 is underpowered the answer is to fix that gun. Not cry for more.

I just don't understand the rational, supposedly a Master Pistoleer has trained with the pistol for thousands of hours and yet somehow the Launcher/Scatter pistol is beyond them? How did the BH learn to use it, from gathering 15k of meat and setting camps and staring at it for hours?

I am not really against them having weapons for their own (preferably like the Lighting Cannon a seperate unique tree), it's just insulting that a Master Pistoleer can't figure out which end of their guns to point at the creature.

-zalana

Oddly, though you can use pistol special with it, the Launcher Pistol gives heavy weapons xp. I wouldn't want to use it anyway. As for the scatter...well, what can you say? The DX2 has a hellacious range mod, at 8m, at master pistoleer, I get a -25 or so to hit someone. Our gun just needs to be fixed.

I see your point and I understand it but my question remains. What will it do to enhancing your enjoyment of the game to get a certfor a weaponthat does the exact same thing as a DX2? A scatter is identical to a DX2 having AR1 and acid damage. It'll just be another gun in your inventory to go along with the other 10 you already get except the only thing is it'll be just like your DX2.

If the devs give you a scatter cert big deal I wouldn't care one bit. So you can use my all powerful super dooper scatter pistol, great hurrah good for you. I'm being a bit sarcastic but honeslty guys with the fuss some of you make about this you would think the scatter pistol could one shot kill a rancor, and the launcher pistol could pwn 5 AT-ST's while you afk macro fight them.

Keep in mind that doing thiswould go against the current game design of giving one extra cert to each of the 3 ranged classes at novice. In other words each of the 3 specialized ranged weapon classes only get one extra cert at novice.

Giving you the scatter pistol would go against that and wouldn't be any benefit over your DX2.

But then again games do change over time.

my last post was addressed to zalana.

My reply button don't werk right fer sum reason.

I am not saying I want the scatter gun, I am just saying it's silly that a Master Pistoleer can't use any pistol in the galaxy effectively. A lifetime of training with a weapon leads one to a familarity with any weapon of it's class, and with guns, you point one end at what u want to kill and push/pull the button/trigger.

ReallyI guess I am just annoyed by a) how crappy my DX2 is, and b) that all i ever use is Fan shot and the bleeds with an occasional pistol whip and supression fire when aggro slips to me.

-zalana

Well then zalana a bigger issue to me at least is to get your DX2 fixed not get a cert for the scatter. Getting a cert for the scatter is like the droiddeka "fix" for Lok. It doesn't fix the root problem (broke gun) it just slaps a hokeykludge on top of it (grog no fix broke gun, grog give them half working gun instead).

I *honestly* would not care if pistoleers got a scatter pistol cert. I just don't think it's the answer. You said it yourself the DX2 is a piece of junk. It needs to be fixed, along with our broken Light Lightning Cannon, the rifleman's T21 the Carbineers quote unquote "elite" carbine (yeah right), and every single stinkin'Commando weapon ever conceived.

Of course to realize that out off all the ranged combat classes the Bounty Hunter is the only one to have a half working weapon cert (the scatter) at novice I can see your point and frustrations.

And I ENJOYED getting that 15K of meat mind you. . . I was hungry.

When I say -25 at 8m I may be exaggerating a bit, but anything 15m or out and I am hitting -50 (hovering above the target) while standing. Kneeling gives me +15...(weren't we supposed to get +15 standing too?) But I digress.

I was going to point out something that may have been on your boards. The commando's launcher pistol gives Heavy Weapons xp, the same you need for your LLC line. My BH buddy has been using a launcher pistol (can use his pistol specials with it even though he is not certed) to do more dmg than the LLC was yet gain xp for that line.