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Thread: EPulse 3: Cheap Tactic or Tool of the Trade?
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Thradd
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:03 pm
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I've seen alot of talk about EP3 being cheap or being a cheater move. I haven't been freelance long and have only tried out EP3 once in PVE. Haven't had a chance to use it PVP (seems my gun does just fine 
) From what I've been reading here EP3 is pretty much an I Win button in PVP. Is this true?
) From what I've been reading here EP3 is pretty much an I Win button in PVP. Is this true? Also I was looking at the effects of it on my ship. Drains my shields and cap and leaves me a wounded duck. Is that a balanced trade off or is EP3 overly powerful in PVP?
I was also thinking about who uses EP3 and yes it does seem like a cheap tactic but it's being used by a bunch of smugglers, pirates, and thieves so it seems acceptable for the faction. It also seems like the Last Ditch Shot of space. And any smuggler who has used the post CU version of LD knows what I mean. For thosewho haven't, if you time it right you can one shot kill another player in ground PVP. Time it wrong and you'll incap yourself.
So I am just trying to figure out what is going on with EP3. Is it bugged? Is it working as intended? I am all for using everything at my disposal to win a fight as long as it isn't a bug or an exploit. I don't use my RGI for this very reason (although I have yet to see the RGI hitbox officially listed as a Known Bug...if I'm wrong please direct me to the thread). So as a freelance pilot shouldn't we fight dirty? However, dirty fighting and exploiting a bug are two very different things. I don't mind being called a cheap or dirty pilot, but I don'twant to exploit a bug to get a kill.
Your thoughts
Thunderbyte
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:09 pm
#2
As far as I can tell, this is working as intended. And I wouldn't call it a cheat or an exploit because a) there's nothing stopping other pilots from training in Freelance and obtaining this skill themselves and b) it's not exactly an "I Win Button" either. It's just another weapon that some pilots have at their disposal that all pilots should know to look out for, same as missles or lasers or bomberstrikes or whatever.
IL-Vec
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:10 pm
#3
VERY CHEAP but not cheating(unfortunately) in PvP since takes almost no skill to insure you win
on the ground this would be fine but in a twitch environment it takes away the advantage of being skilled and well equipped
Ducimus
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:16 pm
#4
>> Cheap Tactic or Tool of the Trade?
I wont even dignify it by calling it a "tactic". It is simply cheap. Its also highly questionable if its effectivenss should be influenced by weapon overload. It is, without any exaggeration, an "I win button". Fly within 200 meters, press your button, (KABOOM) and you win. Its existance and use, is tantamount to having jedi skills in space.
I wont even dignify it by calling it a "tactic". It is simply cheap. Its also highly questionable if its effectivenss should be influenced by weapon overload. It is, without any exaggeration, an "I win button". Fly within 200 meters, press your button, (KABOOM) and you win. Its existance and use, is tantamount to having jedi skills in space.
Message Edited by Ducimus on 09-12-2005 02:17 PM
IL-Vec
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:24 pm
#5
how can you look out for it with everyone and their dog in a JSF/B22 half the time so you have no indication it could happen and it's unavoidable since I'd never believe you if you said you consistently PvP from over 300m at all times
Thunderbyte wrote:
As far as I can tell, this is working as intended. And I wouldn't call it a cheat or an exploit because a) there's nothing stopping other pilots from training in Freelance and obtaining this skill themselves and b) it's not exactly an "I Win Button" either. It's just another weapon that some pilots have at their disposal that all pilots should know to look out for, same as missles or lasers or bomberstrikes or whatever.
Thradd
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:35 pm
#6
IL-Vec wrote:
VERY CHEAP but not cheating(unfortunately) in PvP since takes almost no skill to insure you win
on the ground this would be fine but in a twitch environment it takes away the advantage of being skilled and well equipped
Hmm.. interesting point. So it is almost like loadkilling...almost.
What if it was made more like last ditch. You could only use it when almost dead. like say you could only use EP3 once your engine shuts down or something along those lines.
So it seems I will only be using EP3 as a last ditch move if things get really really bad.
ShoginArmada
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:41 pm
#7
there is no almost dead in pvp, one or 2 hits and yer dead, not like ground (ground is teh sux btw)
Ducimus
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:44 pm
#8
As someone else stated, the only acceptable use of EP3, is to take out pilots taking advantage of the RGI's bugged hitbox - and i'd be a bloody liar if i said i never EP3'ed an RGI 
I see one of those, i say to myself, "He dies first", latch on to his ass like glue, and unload everthing and the kitchen sink on his ass - guns, missles, EP3, everything available to me.
Other than that, i dont see any morally legitimate use for EP3.
I see one of those, i say to myself, "He dies first", latch on to his ass like glue, and unload everthing and the kitchen sink on his ass - guns, missles, EP3, everything available to me.
Other than that, i dont see any morally legitimate use for EP3.
IL-Vec
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:53 pm
#9
Ducimus wrote:
As someone else stated, the only acceptable use of EP3, is to take out pilots taking advantage of the RGI's bugged hitbox - and i'd be a bloody liar if i said i never EP3'ed an RGI
I see one of those, i say to myself, "He dies first", latch on to his ass like glue, and unload everthing and the kitchen sink on his ass - guns, missles, EP3, everything available to me.
Other than that, i dont see any morally legitimate use for EP3.
exactly since if someone shows it as their nearly sole tactic (not mentioning any names) technically they could be construed as griefing since they are repeatedly and intentionally ruining someone elses fun(this assume your in DS a PvP area where there is no "avoiding decay" defence, or I wasn't there to PvP argument) IMO the only 2 complaints that can be made when killed in DS is Ep3 and loadkilling anything else is fair game since you can load CM's and missles yourself
Salco
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:53 pm
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I'm going to get flamed for this...
I understand the concept of an honorable and fair fight, but it seems to me that if you are given a tool, then you should use it. I personally have never used any of the E-pulses, even in PvE...I've just never seen a need. But to condemn a legitimate weapon as "cheap" or "cheating" seems silly. I'm being a hypocrit...I've complained quite vocally about the RotW ships on numerous occasions, citing their "cheapness" due to small hitboxes and obscene mass for their role. But those ships are legitimate tools, and many use them; the same applies to the E-pulses I believe. And remember, after using that e-pulse, the user is going to be severly weakened and a juicy target.
I understand the concept of an honorable and fair fight, but it seems to me that if you are given a tool, then you should use it. I personally have never used any of the E-pulses, even in PvE...I've just never seen a need. But to condemn a legitimate weapon as "cheap" or "cheating" seems silly. I'm being a hypocrit...I've complained quite vocally about the RotW ships on numerous occasions, citing their "cheapness" due to small hitboxes and obscene mass for their role. But those ships are legitimate tools, and many use them; the same applies to the E-pulses I believe. And remember, after using that e-pulse, the user is going to be severly weakened and a juicy target.
IL-Vec
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:56 pm
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Salco wrote:
I'm going to get flamed for this...
I understand the concept of an honorable and fair fight, but it seems to me that if you are given a tool, then you should use it. I personally have never used any of the E-pulses, even in PvE...I've just never seen a need. But to condemn a legitimate weapon as "cheap" or "cheating" seems silly. I'm being a hypocrit...I've complained quite vocally about the RotW ships on numerous occasions, citing their "cheapness" due to small hitboxes and obscene mass for their role. But those ships are legitimate tools, and many use them; the same applies to the E-pulses I believe. And remember, after using that e-pulse, the user is going to be severly weakened and a juicy target.
That's thewhole point,how can a omnidirectional, 100% hit, instant kill button be a "legitimate weapon" in a twitch environment?This is where proficiency is based on skill more than anything else
Ducimus
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:04 pm
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Salco wrote:
I'm going to get flamed for this...
I understand the concept of an honorable and fair fight, but it seems to me that if you are given a tool, then you should use it.
Generally i would agree with you, however you have to look at the basis of the fight.
You fighting a war, or fighting for fun?
If its a no hold barred war, theres alot of dirty stuff you can do, from Blockading a DS station to shooting engines to EP3, to loadkilling etc - the goal and intent is to win the war by decimating the other side.
But is there really a war? Not really. Ill wager 95% of everyone overt in space is fighting for fun. Having your engine shot off, being loadkilled, or being EP3 is not fun. Such things kill the game because eventually, if the other side isnt having fun, they stop going overt- then YOU stop having fun.
Message Edited by Ducimus on 09-12-2005 03:05 PM
Salco
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:07 pm
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Well, for me the game stopped being fun when the space-composite was added. But that's beside the point. I believe it was stated earlier that you need to be within 200 meters for the Epulse to hit...well, if you're afraid of it happening to you, use tactics and try to stay out of range. Really though, this ability has been available for awhile; I'm not sure why it's suddenly having a fuss made over it, but I'm going to stand by my position of, If it's there, use it.
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