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Thread: WTB Master Ace title. No effort required
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FeydmanKassan
Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:26 pm
#1
I think you guys should see this. Especially Lowca pilots:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=lowca_trade&message.id=299480
Maybe I was out of line. I should have let it slide. But this.... just really struck a raw nerve. It's bad enough getting tells asking me to reconfigure my ship so that some toon I don't from adam can ride in the back while I grind XP, butthis...person...wants that plusthe missions done for them too. That's just too F'ing much for me to take tonight.
It's one thing to help someone grind some XP or complete a mission. That I would do for free. It's another for someone to come along, toss a few crumbs at our feet and expect one of us to grind master for them. THAT I will never do.
Enough ranting. Time to kill some Black Suns.
Attacca
Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:33 pm
#3
One guy offered me real money to grind his account to Ace for him (me playing the toon). Don't sweat it - tell 'em they're dumb, then sit back and watch for them to come into the pilot forums in a month claiming that there's no Ace content, PvP is unbalanced, and the Actis doesn't have enough mass.
Ashtirael
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:20 pm
#4
Attacca wrote:
One guy offered me real money to grind his account to Ace for him (me playing the toon). Don't sweat it - tell 'em they're dumb, then sit back and watch for them to come into the pilot forums in a month claiming that there's no Ace content, PvP is unbalanced, and the Actis doesn't have enough mass.
And the RGI needs another gun.
Oh, and they can't use their jedi skills in space 
KaylBreinhar
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:39 pm
#5
I've gotten to a point where I only help friends and friends of friends on missions now (and that doesn't include people who think said peripheral position means I'm their space **edit**). Not that it's been a tremendous problem in the past three months - I've been in absentia for the past three months - collecting close to 500 pieces of L1-L8 loot per night...sometimes more, it depends on if I can kill that little warm center of rationality and monotony in my brain....
As for xp grinding, I only have one rule: keep up. I can waste a hard-target T3 in six seconds (and that's only because my third L10 isn't ready for prime time, otherwise it'd be closer to three seconds), a hard target T5 in ~15-20. If they can't get the minimum 10% damage required for xp in in that timeframe, they need to spend more time on their ships and learn about the bugged joys of WO3.
I have little to no tolerance anymore of Prototype ship and T1-2 grinders, too lazy/unwilling to do even the FIRST duty missions to learn the mechanics of flying (or, as I've said many times before...I have a sense of humility - this isn't flying - rather learning to MOVE THE MOUSE instead of punching a macro), wanting me to wait 20-30 seconds (or more) for them to get in 10% damage on a hard-target so THEY can benefit and my farming ability suffers.
Simply put, I don't exist for the free exploitation of others. If they can keep up, great. If they can't, they actually have to w..wwww..wwwwwWORK at it until they do. It's not my problem, and don't try sending me hate tells - thankfully /ignore still works in space. And to those who would villify me or any others that adopt this stance, they can stuff it up their pretentious asses. JTL might be a "newbie money mini-game, only good for a badge" for SOE and a large portion of the playerbase, but it's OUR profession, and I'm tired of being treated like the custodians for a bunch of stuck-up ground players who view Aces as Danny Glovers to drive their Miss Daisy asses up to a title they didn't earn.
And yeah, I know I'm a pretentious [son of an unwed mother, Damn you ModBot] as well, and back in the day I had to rely on help for two missions in particular on my climb to Ace. But that was seven days after JTL launched - when ships were astronomically expensive and the resources to make them and their components were barely adequate. Nowadays you can actually make FLYABLE ships out of the crafted lines...so there's little to no excuse for such laziness and sloth. Making Ace nowadays has been made so blindingly easy for the newbies, mostly because it's become quite clear that's what JTL was meant for primarily to begin with...newbies. It's why we have the Heavies, the upgraded SW-made equipment, it's why we have the Bel-22 and JSF, and it's why they'll never, EVER, go away or change.
The simple truth: JTL is a "neat little minigame" that JUST might keep all those CURIOUS pepole who were supposed to learn about this game through osmosis since it wasn't advertised BEFORE Ep3's release, but rather after, when most people's Star Wars hangovers were over. The only reason it got any attention at all was because they had to sex up SOMETHING that'd keep the newbies interested.
Of course, to SOME of us, JTL *ISN'T* just some "neat little minigame" meant to give newbies a way to grind 100k here and there. It's become a way to support ourselves, and more importantly, a place to carve a niche in a game where everyone seems to want to move toward almost TOTAL uniformity. Space, if you can forgive the pun, is the final unfettered frontier from the ravages of a game where the Developers pretty much caved to corporate interference and allowed everyone and their uncle to strive towards an endgame that has been cheapened SO much that it's a PAINFUL sight to behold.
...
I still find it utterly amusing and at the same time depressing that some people are/were willing to do six months plus of GRUELING ground-game grinding to get a glowstick, but a max weeklong space grind is "too hard." People are so goddamned eager to be like everyone else when they're ignoring the only realm where you can truly STAND OUT anymore.
...and they won't stop until they ruin space, too.
As for xp grinding, I only have one rule: keep up. I can waste a hard-target T3 in six seconds (and that's only because my third L10 isn't ready for prime time, otherwise it'd be closer to three seconds), a hard target T5 in ~15-20. If they can't get the minimum 10% damage required for xp in in that timeframe, they need to spend more time on their ships and learn about the bugged joys of WO3.
I have little to no tolerance anymore of Prototype ship and T1-2 grinders, too lazy/unwilling to do even the FIRST duty missions to learn the mechanics of flying (or, as I've said many times before...I have a sense of humility - this isn't flying - rather learning to MOVE THE MOUSE instead of punching a macro), wanting me to wait 20-30 seconds (or more) for them to get in 10% damage on a hard-target so THEY can benefit and my farming ability suffers.
Simply put, I don't exist for the free exploitation of others. If they can keep up, great. If they can't, they actually have to w..wwww..wwwwwWORK at it until they do. It's not my problem, and don't try sending me hate tells - thankfully /ignore still works in space. And to those who would villify me or any others that adopt this stance, they can stuff it up their pretentious asses. JTL might be a "newbie money mini-game, only good for a badge" for SOE and a large portion of the playerbase, but it's OUR profession, and I'm tired of being treated like the custodians for a bunch of stuck-up ground players who view Aces as Danny Glovers to drive their Miss Daisy asses up to a title they didn't earn.
And yeah, I know I'm a pretentious [son of an unwed mother, Damn you ModBot] as well, and back in the day I had to rely on help for two missions in particular on my climb to Ace. But that was seven days after JTL launched - when ships were astronomically expensive and the resources to make them and their components were barely adequate. Nowadays you can actually make FLYABLE ships out of the crafted lines...so there's little to no excuse for such laziness and sloth. Making Ace nowadays has been made so blindingly easy for the newbies, mostly because it's become quite clear that's what JTL was meant for primarily to begin with...newbies. It's why we have the Heavies, the upgraded SW-made equipment, it's why we have the Bel-22 and JSF, and it's why they'll never, EVER, go away or change.
The simple truth: JTL is a "neat little minigame" that JUST might keep all those CURIOUS pepole who were supposed to learn about this game through osmosis since it wasn't advertised BEFORE Ep3's release, but rather after, when most people's Star Wars hangovers were over. The only reason it got any attention at all was because they had to sex up SOMETHING that'd keep the newbies interested.
Of course, to SOME of us, JTL *ISN'T* just some "neat little minigame" meant to give newbies a way to grind 100k here and there. It's become a way to support ourselves, and more importantly, a place to carve a niche in a game where everyone seems to want to move toward almost TOTAL uniformity. Space, if you can forgive the pun, is the final unfettered frontier from the ravages of a game where the Developers pretty much caved to corporate interference and allowed everyone and their uncle to strive towards an endgame that has been cheapened SO much that it's a PAINFUL sight to behold.
...
I still find it utterly amusing and at the same time depressing that some people are/were willing to do six months plus of GRUELING ground-game grinding to get a glowstick, but a max weeklong space grind is "too hard." People are so goddamned eager to be like everyone else when they're ignoring the only realm where you can truly STAND OUT anymore.
...and they won't stop until they ruin space, too.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 09-28-2005 12:41 AM
Aenit
Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:37 pm
#6
KaylBreinhar wrote:
I've gotten to a point where I only help friends and friends of friends on missions now (and that doesn't include people who think said peripheral position means I'm their space **edit**). Not that it's been a tremendous problem in the past three months - I've been in absentia for the past three months - collecting close to 500 pieces of L1-L8 loot per night...sometimes more, it depends on if I can kill that little warm center of rationality and monotony in my brain....
As for xp grinding, I only have one rule: keep up. I can waste a hard-target T3 in six seconds (and that's only because my third L10 isn't ready for prime time, otherwise it'd be closer to three seconds), a hard target T5 in ~15-20. If they can't get the minimum 10% damage required for xp in in that timeframe, they need to spend more time on their ships and learn about the bugged joys of WO3.
I have little to no tolerance anymore of Prototype ship and T1-2 grinders, too lazy/unwilling to do even the FIRST duty missions to learn the mechanics of flying (or, as I've said many times before...I have a sense of humility - this isn't flying - rather learning to MOVE THE MOUSE instead of punching a macro), wanting me to wait 20-30 seconds (or more) for them to get in 10% damage on a hard-target so THEY can benefit and my farming ability suffers.
Simply put, I don't exist for the free exploitation of others. If they can keep up, great. If they can't, they actually have to w..wwww..wwwwwWORK at it until they do. It's not my problem, and don't try sending me hate tells - thankfully /ignore still works in space. And to those who would villify me or any others that adopt this stance, they can stuff it up their pretentious asses. JTL might be a "newbie money mini-game, only good for a badge" for SOE and a large portion of the playerbase, but it's OUR profession, and I'm tired of being treated like the custodians for a bunch of stuck-up ground players who view Aces as Danny Glovers to drive their Miss Daisy asses up to a title they didn't earn.
And yeah, I know I'm a pretentious [son of an unwed mother, Damn you ModBot] as well, and back in the day I had to rely on help for two missions in particular on my climb to Ace. But that was seven days after JTL launched - when ships were astronomically expensive and the resources to make them and their components were barely adequate. Nowadays you can actually make FLYABLE ships out of the crafted lines...so there's little to no excuse for such laziness and sloth. Making Ace nowadays has been made so blindingly easy for the newbies, mostly because it's become quite clear that's what JTL was meant for primarily to begin with...newbies. It's why we have the Heavies, the upgraded SW-made equipment, it's why we have the Bel-22 and JSF, and it's why they'll never, EVER, go away or change.
The simple truth: JTL is a "neat little minigame" that JUST might keep all those CURIOUS pepole who were supposed to learn about this game through osmosis since it wasn't advertised BEFORE Ep3's release, but rather after, when most people's Star Wars hangovers were over. The only reason it got any attention at all was because they had to sex up SOMETHING that'd keep the newbies interested.
Of course, to SOME of us, JTL *ISN'T* just some "neat little minigame" meant to give newbies a way to grind 100k here and there. It's become a way to support ourselves, and more importantly, a place to carve a niche in a game where everyone seems to want to move toward almost TOTAL uniformity. Space, if you can forgive the pun, is the final unfettered frontier from the ravages of a game where the Developers pretty much caved to corporate interference and allowed everyone and their uncle to strive towards an endgame that has been cheapened SO much that it's a PAINFUL sight to behold.
...
I still find it utterly amusing and at the same time depressing that some people are/were willing to do six months plus of GRUELING ground-game grinding to get a glowstick, but a max weeklong space grind is "too hard." People are so goddamned eager to be like everyone else when they're ignoring the only realm where you can truly STAND OUT anymore.
...and they won't stop until they ruin space, too.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 09-28-2005 12:41 AM
rawr!
quadpers0n
Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:04 pm
#7
i get these kinds of requests all the time too. even worse, i know for a fact that 95% of them will never fly seriously again. if they do fly it will be in a crapily outfitted JSF, for 2 or 3 PVP engagements likely seriously outmanning their opponents, to which they will proclaim "pwn! hahah did you see me pwn that nub?"
now, when i get those questions i simply say "the going rate for a hand holding in the back of my ship is1 adk and your starmap parts".
i'm willing to bet every penny i have that it won't be long before someone accepts the offer.
Message Edited by quadpers0n on 09-28-200501:17 AM
Message Edited by quadpers0n on 09-28-2005 01:17 AM
jimbrown
Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:16 pm
#8
thats some pretty deep stuff right there kayl...
but i cant find a word of it that aint true, or that has even a halfway reasonable arguement. its hard to see crap like that on JTL, whenJTL isprobably the sole reason that i kept playing SWG post-CU.
i usually dont mind helping ppl, but i keep getting stupid questions, like "hey, can you make my ship better please?" and **edit** like that... its disturbing, to say the least.
quadpers0n
Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:20 pm
#9
jimbrown wrote:thats some pretty deep stuff right there kayl...but i cant find a word of it that aint true, or that has even a halfway reasonable arguement. its hard to see crap like that on JTL, whenJTL isprobably the sole reason that i kept playing SWG post-CU.i usually dont mind helping ppl, but i keep getting stupid questions, like "hey, can you make my ship better please?" and **edit** like that... its disturbing, to say the least.
"i can totally trick out your ride for the low low price of two adks!" you won't be bothered again i bet.
trifidac
Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:23 pm
#10
quadpers0n wrote:
jimbrown wrote:thats some pretty deep stuff right there kayl...but i cant find a word of it that aint true, or that has even a halfway reasonable arguement. its hard to see crap like that on JTL, when JTL is probably the sole reason that i kept playing SWG post-CU.i usually dont mind helping ppl, but i keep getting stupid questions, like "hey, can you make my ship better please?" and **edit** like that... its disturbing, to say the least.
"i can totally trick out your ride for the low low price of two adks!" you won't be bothered again i bet.
QFE
jimbrown
Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:29 pm
#11
trifidac wrote:
quadpers0n wrote:
jimbrown wrote:
thats some pretty deep stuff right there kayl...
but i cant find a word of it that aint true, or that has even a halfway reasonable arguement. its hard to see crap like that on JTL, when JTL is probably the sole reason that i kept playing SWG post-CU.
i usually dont mind helping ppl, but i keep getting stupid questions, like "hey, can you make my ship better please?" and **edit** like that... its disturbing, to say the least.
"i can totally trick out your ride for the low low price of two adks!" you won't be bothered again i bet.
hahahahah ima havta try that next time
CuchulainnDarklight
Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:09 am
#12
I have no problem wiith people getting pilot ground for them, its their loss!
I mastered CP in Beta, went back to it and mastered it just after launch, dropped it to get the JSF (never flown now), remastered it in a day, became jedi, got an alt (wookie for the bando) took him to 1222 in Cp (ground solo against tier 5s in Kessel) and did the Kash corv mission to get the heavy X for my Jedi main.
Now I have a newalt who will be a CP master to allow me to still PvP whilst my main does the 9 ace thing.
I could never have been such a great pilot if I didnt have to work at it and LEARN how to be a great pilot.
When I help people out on grinding, I take them into Kessel and DS and MAKE them hit high tiers and PvP in my Ywing deuce, then when they get to Tier 3 I say "Go find a low level tier and spend the next few days chasing them around or you will never be a good pilot its your choice, but, you will have to do the rest yourself anyway."
LeaphChausew
Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:20 am
#13
/shrug.
They can have their titles, but at the end of the day Ace whatever Pilot as a title counts for nothing and we all know that.
Badges and titles are nothing, reputation is somthing however.
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