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Thread: If anyone wondered what was going to happen when the doitformes tried out DS...

pahon
Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:16 am
#1

I agree with most of what you said....you enter DS...Caveot Emptor......The only thing i will say is that some people, like myself, kill the ISD for the specific purpose of clearing the system. I play on a laptop with a bad graphics card and my only chance to compete in DS is to take out the ISD. MY framerate goes from about 5 FPS, to about 15 FPS when i kill the ISD. Not great, but still and improvement. As for the YT pilot, he jus sounds like a sour grapes ass.......If the situation was reversed and he pwned you on the ground, would you go into a rant about meeting you in space and calling him a coward? From listening to you, i doubt it. You sound like the type of personwho would say good fight and ill see ya next time. DS is a Zone meant for pure carnage and requires constant vigilance. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for it. It sounds like you gave the YT ample opportunity(at least the secind time) to fight or flee. Cheers!



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KaylBreinhar
Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:27 am
#2

And as I replied, killing the ISD purposefully to purge the zone is tantamount to shooting yourself in the foot, as the ISD is the originating point for Imperial spawns. The respawns are exponential - after the destruction of a "landmark," the spawns are dictated by the amount of spawns in the zone.

So naturally, when you're starting from ZERO, it takes quite a long time (24-48 hours) to get back to a lucrative number of spawns. This isn't HELPED by the fact that a reset happens NATURALLY every time the servers are taken down.



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pahon
Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:31 am
#3

But i dont head to DS usually to kill NPC's. I go to PvP. And the only way my graphics card runs fast enough is to clear the Zone. So not killing the ISD is shooting myslef in the foot.



Pa-honGin
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KaylBreinhar
Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:51 am
#4

Yes, but if the zone is empty, all incentive to be there in the first place is removed. I go to DS to faction farm and kill NPCs for loot (though it's by no means lucrative), it's never my EXPLICIT INTENT to engage players - it just happens from time to time.

By removing the incentive to be in DS in the first place, you remove the incentive of most of the pilots you wish to face from being there at all. THAT'S what I meant by "shooting yourself in the foot," and is it really fair that your entire server has to suffer an empty space zone for 24-48 hours because *YOU* wish to PvP?

I have no knowledge of your financial situation - but there are times when the good of the many outweighs the desires of the one (and yes, Trekkies, that wasn't a completely accurate Kobiyashi Maru). I got this game to run smoothly (yes, even in a heavily populated DS) on a 1.4Ghz P3 with 384MB of PC100 and a 128MB Radeon 8500LE. Maybe you should futz around with some of the graphic settings on the Launchpad (under "Game Options") - the ones I used on that severely underpowered machine were:

Graphics:

Vertex/Pixel Shader Version - Set to "Disabled"
***Check the box next to the following***
- Disable Bump Mapping
- Disable Hardware Mouse Cursor
- Use Low Detail Textures
- Use Low Detail Normal Maps
- Disable Multi-Pass Rendering
- (optional) Disable V-Sync

Game (Check the Following):

- Skip Intro Sequence & Disable Character System Level of Detail Manager

Advanced (Check the Following):

- Disable World Preloading (I don't know why, but this quickens load times)
- Use Low Detail Characters
- Use Low Detail Meshes
- Disable File Caching (again, ironically seems to help with load times)

*DON'T* check "Disable Texture Baking" - it screws with your face. It doesn't seem to hurt anything, though.



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pahon
Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:18 am
#5

I see your point with the "needs of the many " comment. But the fact is i pay my 15 a month just like evryone else and while im not out to hurt anyones enjoyment of the game, in the end im here to maximize my enjoyment of it. The ISd controlling the spawn should be addressed by the DEV team. But on my server there is very little action in DS as it is. It usually goes that i contact some of my imp friends or vice versa and we agree to meet in DS to fight. I head there early to take out th ISD. In a perfect world there would be a blank slate zone for PvP. But as it is, DS acts as this area. I dont feel i need to change the way i play the game to cater to faction farmers. They can get the same results in kessel. As for the no decay of DS faction farming, just go to kessel and dont die. Its that simple. I realize the spawns are fewer and far between in kessel. But once again, if someone has a problem with me taking out the ISD, then be there to defend it. This is not meant to be a flame or be rude in any way. Im just explaining that my time and money are valuable to me and when i get the chance to play im gonna play it my way. I dont gank or grief, im just trying to help my chances in DS PvP. Cheers!



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Attacca
Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:18 am
#6

I've gotten a LOT of tells like this recently - usually either yelling at me for being a jerk and killing them, or theatening me to land and fight (I'm a CL80 pre-CU BH, not the best PVPer but I can hold my own, whatever). Sometimes both, like yours!


I'll let people faction alone in DS after the first fight, but the ISD is not fair game, it's my JOB to protect it. If you engage the ISD I will shoot at you, and I'll do whatever I need to defend it. That's about the only roleplaying immersive PVP aspect of space. Plus, as noted, attacking the ISD both lags the zones from the guns and resets the spawns.


I'm not sure how people arrive in DS and think they're entitled to free kills and to be left alone. I've gotten some pretty nasty tells, apparently people take it very personally these days when you don't like them have their way. Seems to be getting more frequent as well.


My most recent was two idjits in Advanced X-Wings. After the third time I vaped them I think they were just sore that a 50k ship was beating both of them.







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Zef_Gaidin
Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:27 am
#7

i loved all the lines about fight on the ground, and not being man enough to fight on ground, etc etc...


lol. it's incredible they think their templated fighting styles reveal skill, but the equality of space is tipped in someone elses favour. priceless!


nicely handled by the way
FeydmanKassan
Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:03 am
#8

I can remember a few times sitting in DS watching Imps farm, oblivious to my presence. I usually tend to leave people alone, but sometimes I do wonder if they really understand what DS is for. As for taking out the ISD, eh. It's there, its killable, theyare within their rights to attack it at will. Personally, unless the crew really looked like they knew what they were doing, I would have left them alone. A POB is an easy kill for an experienced pilot. But, DS is a free fire zone so peeps have to make ther own decisions in that area.






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JanuHull
Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:12 am
#9

Actually, after clearing the ISD, its only about 20 minutes before you have a healthy group of Imperial NPCs out there again. Sometimes you have to because those NPCs don't stop spawning, and Rebels will eventually wander into the ISDs guns.



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PaceNebulon
Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:01 am
#10

Nice... I have gotten a few tells like that. My policy being that nothing attacks the ISD while I am in DS. Although the 24-48 hours seems a bit much till it reaches normal again, 20 mins is definitly too low.


I have never quite understood how F1 F2 F1 F2 F1 tab or AFK grinding on the ground makes you more skilled that another person.





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Vegitaa
Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:16 am
#11

It's been awhile since I've taken to the "unfriendly skies" of Deep Space, especially since I've been working on getting my shipwright business going as well as trying to full temp my Jedi now.


But, I always enjoy a good juant into space. Honestly, if it's red.. it's dead. If it was fun I always give the "/tell Good Fight". Mainly, the people who seem to send hate tells the most are those using Deep Space to exploit the decay system. I'm sorry, but if you're sitting in your shiney new JSF not moving just waiting for the Hyperspace load screen... you may end up dead.


I know a lot of people call that dirty pool, but IMHO if you're in DS you know the risks. I don't go out of my way to load kill, but if I see someone just sitting there sometimes it's hard not to hit the trigger. My Oppressor loves to luanch missles, whatcha gonna do.


If someone see's me coming and asks to not be engaged I respect that request unless the fire on me or go after the ISD. If a POB asks to back off, in general I will.. unless they're engaging targets. As soon as I se a puff of smoke near your ship, consider yourself engaged. It may not be the politically correct way of handeling things but honestly, JTL needs less self impossed rules and more action. Don't like PvP, don't go overt, and don't go to Deep Space. Because this player and his 5 Ace toons (2 imp, 2 nuetral, 1 rebel) don't fire warning shots.





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The_Azure_Phoenix
Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:04 am
#12

People actually go to DS to PvE? Blasphemy! BURN THE HERETIC! Seriously...whats the point in destroying the ISD...any two-byte pilot with a tri-cannon can do that.....What is impressive, is outflying a bomber strike, next to the isd, and still killing the caller of the strike who is in the bay of the ISD.



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JanuHull
Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:41 am
#13






The_Azure_Phoenix wrote:
People actually go to DS to PvE? Blasphemy! BURN THE HERETIC! Seriously...whats the point in destroying the ISD...any two-byte pilot with a tri-cannon can do that.....What is impressive, is outflying a bomber strike, next to the isd, and still killing the caller of the strike who is in the bay of the ISD.





Points in destroying the ISD:


1) Lag relief


2) Massive influx of faction points from rapid destruction (500 a pop)


3) Boredom





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