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Thread: Big issue needs attention to make sure dosn't happen
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Using Deep Space to minimize decay to starship components during repairs
- There are many confirmed cases of Pilots PVP or PVE'ing in sectors other than deep space, travelling to deep space and using that sector to repair with. Rather than the full decay that would take place on these components with a full repair at a regular station, these pilots are only receiving the decay from 25% repairs so they can then travel to deep space to repair the rest. While no decay for deep spacewas a solution to encourage pvp, it does not seem that it was intended to bypass the normal repair process for combat in other sectors. This is having an effect on business from Master pilots who can go much longer than intended without replacing components due to repair decay.
- Suggestion 1: Modify deep space to only allow damage from death in that system to be repaired without decay. Any damage a ship has when it enters deep space will not be repairable without decay.
- Suggestion 2: Modify deep space so that only damage from PVP is repairable with no decay upon death. This would still allow damage from pvp deaths in other sectors to be repaired, but would not allow PVE death damage to be repaired without decay.
- Suggestion 3: Modify deep space so that damaged ships are unable to enter. A warning npc sends a message to the pilot saying they won't last long in deep space with dmg and suggests they get repairs before going there.
Well, for one, this has been an "issue" forever, and is pretty far down the list of priorties for fixing SW. Also, that's just a list of current complaints that some SWs have with the profession, including valid bugs. I wouldn't count on it changing in the near or far future.
But, Deep Space decay-less death/repair etc was designed to encourage PVP within Deep Space. It wasn't designed to give Master Pilots a free repair when they received damage outside of DS. That's what it's being used for, and that's what the complaint is; people are exploiting a design flaw.
Cphopp wrote:
kk then...just dont want to let the issue die...lol or happen
I'm interested, now. Whichproposed solution to the exploitdid you have a problem with?
I wouldn't mind if DS was fixed, if they up the drop rates on loot/chance to find good loot. I have some pieces I've worked on for months, and the inability to keep them pristine would be unbelievably frustrating. Seems like upping loot drops would be a good partial solution.
It's stupid to only find say, one gun in a pilot's career with a high enough damage to be worth REing, then end up losing it to decay.
idolatry wrote:
Cphopp wrote:
kk then...just dont want to let the issue die...lol or happen
I'm interested, now. Which proposed solution to the exploit did you have a problem with?
From the bolded above, it sounds to me like the answer to your question is "All of them".
Attacca wrote:
I wouldn't mind if DS was fixed, if they up the drop rates on loot/chance to find good loot. I have some pieces I've worked on for months, and the inability to keep them pristine would be unbelievably frustrating. Seems like upping loot drops would be a good partial solution.
It's stupid to only find say, one gun in a pilot's career with a high enough damage to be worth REing, then end up losing it to decay.
Heh, stop using WO4 and dying so much then 
I think the "one gun" comment is hyperbole, so I'll leave it alone. I'm constantly finding new and shinier loot to RE. Why, just last night, I found an L7 weapon that with a refire that will RE into the best L7 I've made so far. Mmm... 5200 DPS
Ssshh, let me bait him
Treena_Daal wrote:
From the bolded above, it sounds to me like the answer to your question is "All of them".
Treena_Daal wrote:
I'm interested, now. Which proposed solution to the exploit did you have a problem with?
From the bolded above, it sounds to me like the answer to your question is "All of them".
It's copied exactly as it is in the original thread, 
"Hey, [insert pilot's name of an opposing faction here], come in and kill me in DS so I can get full repairs."
Additionally, you force the system to keep track of yet more information, creating instability, as the load would undoubtedly fall to the already strained DS server to maintain the record.
Now, on a server like Eclipse, where having five people in DS simultaneously is considered miraculous, this might not be a huge problem.
But what about a server like Starsider, which has an extremely active piloting community? During their lauded PvP events, the additional subroutines required in keeping track of a pilot's entering condition and a pilot's EXITING condition, with 20+ ships in the zone, could singlehandedly destabilize the server.
The Devs response to this is clear - they're making (or at least trying) crafted parts more viable in the marketplace, giving people who just started flying a rat's chance in hell of competing against the average/experienced pilot.
Of course, against a grognard like myself, Tomo, or Rapax, you have no chance. We've built our ships up too well and too sturdily.
But you know what? Us posterchildren for the "ineffectiveness of shipwrights," as I believe it was referred to in JTL's early post-release days, make up about, or possibly less than, 1% of the total pilots on any given server. Have you spent the last seven months, on and off, collecting hundreds, if not sometimes thousands, of loot pieces, constantly looking for lighter, faster, or less-costly pieces?
Perhaps you're willing to look into the face of someone who spent five months crafting a legendary-class L8 engine or L10 weapon and go "screw you," but I'm sure as hell not. In my opinion, collecting loot for truly remarkable REs is akin to the old system of hologrinding mixed in with elements of the NEW grind. Some of the parts that went into my 5237.x L10 as of late were collected in NOVEMBER. Some of the pieces earmarked for my QID and next L6 prenerf RE, were ALSO collected in November. Gee, my math might be off, but that kinda was about seven months ago. I could've Paddied my main character in that same amount of time.
Furthermore, I'd fathom most of SW's lost revenue is coming from the fact that after Acing, the majority of "Aces" spend their time using their POBs to do their Yacht's job. Compounding that further, I'd say only about 10-15% of all pilots come in and read these forums, and an infinitesmal percentage of that number stay to be regulars after their question is answered or rebuffed.
SW problems lie with making your parts even more viable, not with DS repairs. None of US asked for free ships in ROTW, the Devs made it that way. Furthermore, since these ships aren't [easily] replaceable, then yeah, you're damn right I'm gonna use DS to save my chassis as much decay as humanly possible.
Again, this isn't our problem, nor was it CAUSED by us. Take it up with the Devs. But just keep in mind, you're pretty much rapping on the only true reason/benefit besides Imperial faction farming that DS exists and is used at ALL.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 07-12-2005 09:35 PM
KaylBreinhar wrote:
But you know what? Us posterchildren for the "ineffectiveness of shipwrights," as I believe it was referred to in JTL's early post-release days, make up about, or possibly less than, 1% of the total pilots on any given server.
SW problems lie with making your parts even more viable, not with DS repairs. None of US asked for free ships in ROTW, the Devs made it that way. Furthermore, since these ships aren't [easily] replaceable, then yeah, you're damn right I'm gonna use DS to save my chassis as much decay as humanly possible.
Again, this isn't our problem, nor was it CAUSED by us. Take it up with the Devs. But just keep in mind, you're pretty much rapping on the only true reason/benefit besides Imperial faction farming that DS exists and is used at ALL.
I agree entirely. Just offering the reasons why it was brought up as a SW "issue".
The majority of pilots who engage in large amounts of PVP don't use crafted anyway, and I've never seen DS decay-less repair affect my business. Hell, ROTW has doubled my business. All those ground-pounders who just picked up an Actis need *some* parts to install first
Besides, there's still the 25/25/50/100% bug/'sploit with stations anyway.
idolatry wrote:
I think the "one gun" comment is hyperbole, so I'll leave it alone. I'm constantly finding new and shinier loot to RE.