Pilot Archive

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ShaiLyn wrote:

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CommTampers wrote:

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ShaiLyn wrote:

Basically, ROTW gave a boost to some ships to make them more viable in PVP. I would like to see similar boosts to some of the other ships now. The ROTW method was to just up the mass on certain ships, which worked great for them. Maybe the advanced versions of other ships need more creative enhancements. For example:

• Advanced A-Wing: 1.2 speed multiplier, 500 ypr acceleration


• Advanced B-Wing: Add tailgunner seat


• Advanced TIE advanced (lol): 1.1 speed multiplier, additional mass


• Advanced Dunelizard: Higher YPR acceleration, smaller hitbox

I would make these ships master certs and require quests similar to the ROTW ships to get them. The only difference is you should get a schematic only so that shipwrights don't get screwed like they did in JTL.

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That advance awing might be a littleover the top, though I'd really love to fly it.

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The A-Wing is suppose to be the fastest ship ever. As long as the mass is left alone so that you have to make sacrifices to set this up right, it should be on par with other advanced ships.

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What bothers me about this idea is that its scarily reflective of what Darth Platypus might have in mind about "bringing the other ships up to the level of the ROTW ships" rather than bringing them back into line with the rest.

This game does not need that kind of "improvement".

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JanuHull wrote:

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ShaiLyn wrote:

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CommTampers wrote:

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ShaiLyn wrote:

Basically, ROTW gave a boost to some ships to make them more viable in PVP. I would like to see similar boosts to some of the other ships now. The ROTW method was to just up the mass on certain ships, which worked great for them. Maybe the advanced versions of other ships need more creative enhancements. For example:

• Advanced A-Wing: 1.2 speed multiplier, 500 ypr acceleration


• Advanced B-Wing: Add tailgunner seat


• Advanced TIE advanced (lol): 1.1 speed multiplier, additional mass


• Advanced Dunelizard: Higher YPR acceleration, smaller hitbox

I would make these ships master certs and require quests similar to the ROTW ships to get them. The only difference is you should get a schematic only so that shipwrights don't get screwed like they did in JTL.

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That advance awing might be a littleover the top, though I'd really love to fly it.

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The A-Wing is suppose to be the fastest ship ever. As long as the mass is left alone so that you have to make sacrifices to set this up right, it should be on par with other advanced ships.

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What bothers me about this idea is that its scarily reflective of what Darth Platypus might have in mind about "bringing the other ships up to the level of the ROTW ships" rather than bringing them back into line with the rest.

This game does not need that kind of "improvement".

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CommTampers wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

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ShaiLyn wrote:

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CommTampers wrote:

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ShaiLyn wrote:

Basically, ROTW gave a boost to some ships to make them more viable in PVP. I would like to see similar boosts to some of the other ships now. The ROTW method was to just up the mass on certain ships, which worked great for them. Maybe the advanced versions of other ships need more creative enhancements. For example:

• Advanced A-Wing: 1.2 speed multiplier, 500 ypr acceleration


• Advanced B-Wing: Add tailgunner seat


• Advanced TIE advanced (lol): 1.1 speed multiplier, additional mass


• Advanced Dunelizard: Higher YPR acceleration, smaller hitbox

I would make these ships master certs and require quests similar to the ROTW ships to get them. The only difference is you should get a schematic only so that shipwrights don't get screwed like they did in JTL.

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That advance awing might be a littleover the top, though I'd really love to fly it.

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The A-Wing is suppose to be the fastest ship ever. As long as the mass is left alone so that you have to make sacrifices to set this up right, it should be on par with other advanced ships.

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What bothers me about this idea is that its scarily reflective of what Darth Platypus might have in mind about "bringing the other ships up to the level of the ROTW ships" rather than bringing them back into line with the rest.

This game does not need that kind of "improvement".

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To a dark place it might take us, but look on the other side. Many people would come flocking to their shipwrights. They'd take back some business from the quest ships. This would really rock the community to its foundation, though it might attract ground people back to space.

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As long as Bel deeds drop from Necrosis like fleas off a mangy dog, my business is 95% components, 3%POB Components/Deeds,1% Heavy Starters, and 1% other chassis for real pilots.The reason people don't fly as much as they could stems from them not wanting to do the hard work of learning the new system where their macros won't wipe their ass for them.

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JanuHull wrote:

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CommTampers wrote:

To a dark place it might take us, but look on the other side. Many people would come flocking to their shipwrights. They'd take back some business from the quest ships. This would really rock the community to its foundation, though it might attract ground people back to space.

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As long as Bel deeds drop from Necrosis like fleas off a mangy dog, my business is 95% components, 3%POB Components/Deeds,1% Heavy Starters, and 1% other chassis for real pilots.The reason people don't fly as much as they could stems from them not wanting to do the hard work of learning the new system where their macros won't wipe their ass for them.

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I'm just playin' devil's advocate by asking these questions. Though Necrosis may be dropping way too many B22 deeds, it's too late for a nerf. The damage is done. People have already stocked up on deeds. In the jedi boards, people boast soloing Necrosis rampantly. Even if they stopped dropping, they'd keep appearing in space. BTW, don't get me wrong, I don't favor patronizing the ROTW ships. In fact, these discussions have convinced me to re-think my space arsenal.

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CommTampers wrote:
While we may be very defensive and elitist, our attitude may be great for the piloting community. We speak to serve the best interests of the piloting professions. Of all the profession boards I've visited so far, I find this to be the friendliest and most helpful communities.

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Death_Blossom wrote:

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CommTampers wrote:
While we may be very defensive and elitist, our attitude may be great for the piloting community. We speak to serve the best interests of the piloting professions. Of all the profession boards I've visited so far, I find this to be the friendliest and most helpful communities.

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Telling people they suck for choosing to fly a certain fighter or insulting them because they don't agree with your rules about what is supposed to flown is not in the best intrest of the community. That there is the mark of egotistical and elitist powergamers who feel that their view is the only correct one. I have stated several times that I own both a JSF and B22 but rarely fly them, but I'm told I suck because I have them. How is that in the best intrest of the community? It isn't, it's a personal attack on myself and anyone who has flown or owns one of these fighters.

To speak in the best intrest of the community, you have to listen to both sides of the coin (PvE and PvP) and then determine what is best. Are those fighters overpowered? Yes they are but so is everything else in relation to PvE. My POS cobbled together Dunie can terrorize T5 fighters in Kessel without breaking a sweat. My Rihk makes spacedust out of gunboats in no time at all. That is seriously unbalanced.

My last few PvP encounters didn't last long and I haven't lost yet. One of those was against a JSF (I had my test bed Heavy TIE out) and the JSF had the jump on me from behind. Is the JSF unbalanced? Yes but a good pilot that knows what she is doing in ANY ship will beat a bad pilot in ANY ship. The JSF pilot had no chance, even in a turning fight. I got a feel for his style, predicted his path, laid out 3 shots, and splashed him. Lasted maybe 10 seconds or so.

I have stated time and time again that the JSF/B22 is unbalanced but have been largely ignored, told I suck, called an Epulser, and I'm sure much more. Yeah, real friendly board here. I even made a suggestion to nerf Epulse to make it more for PvE and pretty much useless in PvP but that got breezed over since it wasn't a flat call to remove it from the game. These boards are only "friendly and helpful" if you happen to agree with the self-proclaimed "best pilots". I have yet to anything other than a "You suck cause you have a JSF" postby some of these "helpful and friendly" pilots in response to JSF/B22 questions.

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I've been pretty disappointed in some of the responses to your posts, a few of the last responses have me questioning if the posters even read what you posted. This forum has in my opinion a good reputation as a gentlemanly forum, but I also tend to stay away from the more polarizing threads because of how up in arms many have gotten lately. Your posts have been fairly informative in various threads you have posted in. /salute

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Death_Blossom wrote:

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CommTampers wrote:
While we may be very defensive and elitist, our attitude may be great for the piloting community. We speak to serve the best interests of the piloting professions. Of all the profession boards I've visited so far, I find this to be the friendliest and most helpful communities.

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Telling people they suck for choosing to fly a certain fighter or insulting them because they don't agree with your rules about what is supposed to flown is not in the best intrest of the community. That there is the mark of egotistical and elitist powergamers who feel that their view is the only correct one. I have stated several times that I own both a JSF and B22 but rarely fly them, but I'm told I suck because I have them. How is that in the best intrest of the community? It isn't, it's a personal attack on myself and anyone who has flown or owns one of these fighters.

To speak in the best intrest of the community, you have to listen to both sides of the coin (PvE and PvP) and then determine what is best. Are those fighters overpowered? Yes they are but so is everything else in relation to PvE. My POS cobbled together Dunie can terrorize T5 fighters in Kessel without breaking a sweat. My Rihk makes spacedust out of gunboats in no time at all. That is seriously unbalanced.

My last few PvP encounters didn't last long and I haven't lost yet. One of those was against a JSF (I had my test bed Heavy TIE out) and the JSF had the jump on me from behind. Is the JSF unbalanced? Yes but a good pilot that knows what she is doing in ANY ship will beat a bad pilot in ANY ship. The JSF pilot had no chance, even in a turning fight. I got a feel for his style, predicted his path, laid out 3 shots, and splashed him. Lasted maybe 10 seconds or so.

I have stated time and time again that the JSF/B22 is unbalanced but have been largely ignored, told I suck, called an Epulser, and I'm sure much more. Yeah, real friendly board here. I even made a suggestion to nerf Epulse to make it more for PvE and pretty much useless in PvP but that got breezed over since it wasn't a flat call to remove it from the game. These boards are only "friendly and helpful" if you happen to agree with the self-proclaimed "best pilots". I have yet to anything other than a "You suck cause you have a JSF" postby some of these "helpful and friendly" pilots in response to JSF/B22 questions.

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Death_Blossom wrote:

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CommTampers wrote:
While we may be very defensive and elitist, our attitude may be great for the piloting community. We speak to serve the best interests of the piloting professions. Of all the profession boards I've visited so far, I find this to be the friendliest and most helpful communities.

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Telling people they suck for choosing to fly a certain fighter or insulting them because they don't agree with your rules about what is supposed to flown is not in the best intrest of the community. That there is the mark of egotistical and elitist powergamers who feel that their view is the only correct one. I have stated several times that I own both a JSF and B22 but rarely fly them, but I'm told I suck because I have them. How is that in the best intrest of the community? It isn't, it's a personal attack on myself and anyone who has flown or owns one of these fighters.

To speak in the best intrest of the community, you have to listen to both sides of the coin (PvE and PvP) and then determine what is best. Are those fighters overpowered? Yes they are but so is everything else in relation to PvE. My POS cobbled together Dunie can terrorize T5 fighters in Kessel without breaking a sweat. My Rihk makes spacedust out of gunboats in no time at all. That is seriously unbalanced.

My last few PvP encounters didn't last long and I haven't lost yet. One of those was against a JSF (I had my test bed Heavy TIE out) and the JSF had the jump on me from behind. Is the JSF unbalanced? Yes but a good pilot that knows what she is doing in ANY ship will beat a bad pilot in ANY ship. The JSF pilot had no chance, even in a turning fight. I got a feel for his style, predicted his path, laid out 3 shots, and splashed him. Lasted maybe 10 seconds or so.

I have stated time and time again that the JSF/B22 is unbalanced but have been largely ignored, told I suck, called an Epulser, and I'm sure much more. Yeah, real friendly board here. I even made a suggestion to nerf Epulse to make it more for PvE and pretty much useless in PvP but that got breezed over since it wasn't a flat call to remove it from the game. These boards are only "friendly and helpful" if you happen to agree with the self-proclaimed "best pilots". I have yet to anything other than a "You suck cause you have a JSF" postby some of these "helpful and friendly" pilots in response to JSF/B22 questions.

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A lot of people on this forum (myself included) feel really strongly about the fact that the JSF and B22 are bad for the long-term health of the space game. That being the case, a lot of us are really vocal in our criticism in those ships and those who rely on them as a crutch. A lot of the time that response is a knee-jerk one.

I'm one of those people who became a better pilot when I stopped using my JSF and started using pre-RoTW ships... and I believe that every person who flies a JSF or B22 would experience the same skill increase.

It seems to me that you believe that too.

That said, telling people that they "suck" for exclusively flying one of these ships seems to be working. Being a good pilot does in fact have a lot to do with ego... as does being a "powergamer". If you damage the ego of people by calling them out for their choice of ship, many of them will be hurt or challenged enough to actually drop their overpowered ship and fly something else, just to prove to us (and themselves) that we're wrong.

That's exactly why I (and a lot of people on this forum) stopped flying a JSF/B22 and started flying a pre-RoTW ship. And that is the ultimate goal, to have as few serious pilots flying the overpowered ships as possible.

So, don't take it personally.

Also this thread is more about events and less about every day pick up PvP... I think at least half of the people here saying the B-22 and the JSF are overpowered could care less what you fly outside of a sturctured event...

That is my view anyway.

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CommTampers wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

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CommTampers wrote:

To a dark place it might take us, but look on the other side. Many people would come flocking to their shipwrights. They'd take back some business from the quest ships. This would really rock the community to its foundation, though it might attract ground people back to space.

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As long as Bel deeds drop from Necrosis like fleas off a mangy dog, my business is 95% components, 3%POB Components/Deeds,1% Heavy Starters, and 1% other chassis for real pilots.The reason people don't fly as much as they could stems from them not wanting to do the hard work of learning the new system where their macros won't wipe their ass for them.

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I'm just playin' devil's advocate by asking these questions. Though Necrosis may be dropping way too many B22 deeds, it's too late for a nerf. The damage is done. People have already stocked up on deeds. In the jedi boards, people boast soloing Necrosis rampantly. Even if they stopped dropping, they'd keep appearing in space. BTW, don't get me wrong, I don't favor patronizing the ROTW ships. In fact, these discussions have convinced me to re-think my space arsenal.

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Death_Blossom wrote:

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Vulthoom wrote:

You know, you're bringing a pretty venomous attitude to what was staying a pretty civil thread. This leads me to believe you need to defend your "talent compensators" to the last breath. And stop spouting your own drivel about shooting down F/A-18 pilots in a sim or whatever, and you're blind, and blah blah. You can fly whatever ship you want, and tell everyone to kiss your hind-end as you do it. And if you fly the "talent compensators", I can and will tell you what a 100% b**ch move that is. Your keyboard warrior stuff doesn't impress anyone, Son. You could have made your point without being a jerk about it.

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First off, I agreed earlier that the B22 and JSF were unbalanced. I rarely, if ever, fly them for anything more than training my wingmates. You're another one that sees JSF and B22 and instantly assume thatthat personflies one every timethey go up. Not to burst your puny ego, but I stated that I fly my Rihk and my YT. My Krayt is a mining ship and my vaksai goes up maybe once a month.I don't need atalent compensator. The only thing I'm defending is my right to playmy game my way. Not a single one of you elitists pay for my time in game, so that leaves you with no right to tell me how to play and what I can do with my time. I'm not the one spouting insults at people for wanting to fly the JSF/B22/RGI nor forcing a set of made up rules on the entire SWG community. I'm sick of asshats telling me how I'm supposed to play my game. If I want to play as an entertainer, I'll play as an entertainer. If I wanted to be a whiney jedi or FOTM bounty hunter/combat medic, I would have done so already. Whine, moan, and cry all you want, I don't give a damn who you are or what makes you think you have the right to dictate my time spent playing my game. Maybe you need to learn to read a whole post before you open your mouth and start flinging insults.

Second, if you think I'm a "Son", you need to re-read my sig since it clearly identifies me as a female.

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First off, I don't remember telling you what you can or can't fly. I don't care what you fly. I never said you suck, nor did I fail to read your post. This whole discussion sprouted out of controversy in PVP events on the Lowca server. Perhaps YOU should have read the original post in this thread. I believe it alludes to this. I have no desire to "tell" you what you can fly, nor do I think anyone else does. The JSF and B-22, as well as the heavy variants, weren't put into this game for balance. They were put into this game so poor pilots could breeze through their respective pilot trees, with minimal effort and skill, do random PVP in DS, win sometimes, and feel "uber" and L337", and keep paying their subscriptions. Just like many Jedi couldn't pvp without their jedi "alpha-class" advantage, many pilots of these ships can't win in space pvp without them. I don't know if that's you or not, I won't make an implication. I believe it is the right of the players participating in these PVP events to limit and monitor ships as they please. That's what this discussion was/is about. My post was the way it was because of the poor attitude you have displayed in this thread. Grown ups are talking here. And if you act tough, and talk smack like a man, I'll treat you like one. I don't give a crap what your sig says.

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Death_Blossom wrote:

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Vulthoom wrote:

First off, I don't remember telling you what you can or can't fly. I don't care what you fly. I never said you suck, nor did I fail to read your post. This whole discussion sprouted out of controversy in PVP events on the Lowca server. Perhaps YOU should have read the original post in this thread. I believe it alludes to this. I have no desire to "tell" you what you can fly, nor do I think anyone else does. The JSF and B-22, as well as the heavy variants, weren't put into this game for balance. They were put into this game so poor pilots could breeze through their respective pilot trees, with minimal effort and skill, do random PVP in DS, win sometimes, and feel "uber" and L337", and keep paying their subscriptions. Just like many Jedi couldn't pvp without their jedi "alpha-class" advantage, many pilots of these ships can't win in space pvp without them. I don't know if that's you or not, I won't make an implication. I believe it is the right of the players participating in these PVP events to limit and monitor ships as they please. That's what this discussion was/is about. My post was the way it was because of the poor attitude you have displayed in this thread. Grown ups are talking here. And if you act tough, and talk smack like a man, I'll treat you like one. I don't give a crap what your sig says.

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You OBVIOUSLY missed my first post about my stating that the JSF/B22 are unbalanced and overpowered on the first page. I did read the original post and posted accordingly to it. I gave my opinion on the ships under question and then didn't respond again till some posters started insulting and flaming people for flying/owning those two ships. In fact, at what point did you have anything constructive to add to this discussion? Don't see any of your posts stating your opinion on anything. I don't see you doing anything but throwing out insults and acting like a general **edit**.

You did tell me what I'm supposed to or not supposed to fly by stating "if you fly the "talent compensators", I can and will tell you what a 100% b**ch move that is", which is a very sublte way of saying "you suck" to someone. I could go back and pull more quotes from other posts where other like-minded elitists like yourself have flammed or insulted people for flying one of these ships, but you can learn to read andgo find them yourself.

These ships weren't put in the game just make bad pilots think they are good, they were added as, wait for it...... CONTENT. That's right, content. I'm sure the devs didn't sit down and say "Gee, why don't we give bad pilots something to make up for their apparent lack of skill in a video game." They are rewards for completing a quest and people are going to use them.

My "poor attitude" stems from jerkholes like you trying to dictate your rules to the rest of the community. I've already said that a planned event should be structured and rules are a must. Apparently your lack of reading and comprehension skills is showing through here. You OBVIOUSLY missed that post as well and responded in a typical "I'm right and your wrong" manner. Once again, use that thing you learned in 3rd grade to read what has been posted.

And to your grown-ups talking here comment, LOL. Ok, whatever little boy. Maybe when you move out from the basement and livein the real world,you'll find that are other opinions than your own and some of those might hurt your little tiny ego.

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Flamming...Sublte...maybe you should work on your 3rd grade spelling and grammar, loudmouth. You have a lot of work to do on your own ego and elitism problems. You take offense to every post concerning anything you've said in this thread. Anyway, make your next post a good one, because I'm done responding to you, and your keyboard-fu, e-tough skills. And as for the little boy comment, sounds like you're just jealous that you aren't one.