Pilot Archive

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rols_cerentz wrote:

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JediNg wrote:

Nevertheless, they are given nautical terms.

Destroyer, Dreadnought, Cruiser etc

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That is not being contested.

Again, all I am saying is that our characters are not Naval personel. We are Special Forces Operatives, regardless of the faction we are in. Due to this, we are able to go anywhere and do anything as first strike commando-type units. Again, per the movies, SpecOps members, like Han, Lando and Obi-Wan utilized Army ranks. Our actions are not limited to one combat sphere, we are capable of taking part in the GCW on the ground and in space, we don't take orders 90% of the time and our time isn't structured and controlled like it would be, if our characters were, in fact, military regulars. (Either regular Naval or regular Army troopers.)

I will have no problem if they offer up Naval commissions for JTL, if the character in question gives up all ground combat activities.

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I would so give up my ground rank for Naval Commissioning. I spend more time flying than I do shooting Imperials... in fact I spend more time in space than I do on the ground. Being ex-Navy myself, I would rather lead my guild in space as a Commander than a Lt Colonel. Hell, I'll take Lt Junior Grade over Colonel any day of the week. Now they have to have the enlisted ranks as well, recruit thru Chief Petty Officer but that's another discussion.

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Devil_Tiger wrote:

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rols_cerentz wrote:

I will have no problem if they offer up Naval commissions for JTL, if the character in question gives up all ground combat activities.

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I would so give up my ground rank for Naval Commissioning. I spend more time flying than I do shooting Imperials... in fact I spend more time in space than I do on the ground. Being ex-Navy myself, I would rather lead my guild in space as a Commander than a Lt Colonel. Hell, I'll take Lt Junior Grade over Colonel any day of the week. Now they have to have the enlisted ranks as well, recruit thru Chief Petty Officer but that's another discussion.

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I am not simply suggesting dropping the "Army" rank. (Which is really, and always has been, an Honorary "Special Operatives" rank more then anything else.) If you forsake the SpecOps Honorary Rank for a Naval commission, I believe that your character should forgo all ground operations and thenbe subjected to the more stringent requirements of doing whatever some NPC higher-up says to do, all of the time.

Our characters are not regular forces, they are Special Forces with no limit on what we can do. In the movies, Navy characters are limited in the scope of what they do and so are regular Army characters. General Veers wasn't seen leading a fleet of starships, he was focused on leading ground forces, period.

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rols_cerentz wrote:

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JediNg wrote:

Nevertheless, they are given nautical terms.

Destroyer, Dreadnought, Cruiser etc

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That is not being contested.

Again, all I am saying is that our characters are not Naval personel. We are Special Forces Operatives, regardless of the faction we are in. Due to this, we are able to go anywhere and do anything as first strike commando-type units. Again, per the movies, SpecOps members, like Han, Lando and Obi-Wan utilized Army ranks. Our actions are not limited to one combat sphere, we are capable of taking part in the GCW on the ground and in space, we don't take orders 90% of the time and our time isn't structured and controlled like it would be, if our characters were, in fact, military regulars. (Either regular Naval or regular Army troopers.)

I will have no problem if they offer up Naval commissions for JTL, if the character in question gives up all ground combat activities.

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What about Luke? He wasn't subject to a regular military lifestyle either, so I'd say he was a SpecOps member. And yet his rank was Commander, which doesn't exist in the Army, Air Force, or Marines, only the Navy.

Not completly on topic but I found this and thought it might help with cross branch rank stuff, esspecially since there was some confusion regarding the Airforce and Marines.

Enlisted: http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/enlisted.html
Officers: http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/officers.html

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Mac_Leod wrote:

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rols_cerentz wrote:

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JediNg wrote:

Nevertheless, they are given nautical terms.

Destroyer, Dreadnought, Cruiser etc

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That is not being contested.

Again, all I am saying is that our characters are not Naval personel. We are Special Forces Operatives, regardless of the faction we are in. Due to this, we are able to go anywhere and do anything as first strike commando-type units. Again, per the movies, SpecOps members, like Han, Lando and Obi-Wan utilized Army ranks. Our actions are not limited to one combat sphere, we are capable of taking part in the GCW on the ground and in space, we don't take orders 90% of the time and our time isn't structured and controlled like it would be, if our characters were, in fact, military regulars. (Either regular Naval or regular Army troopers.)

I will have no problem if they offer up Naval commissions for JTL, if the character in question gives up all ground combat activities.

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What about Luke? He wasn't subject to a regular military lifestyle either, so I'd say he was a SpecOps member. And yet his rank was Commander, which doesn't exist in the Army, Air Force, or Marines, only the Navy.

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I addressed this in another post.

Luke became something different between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. Sure, he was leading Rogue Squadron, but he was moving away from being a Pilot and more into being a Jedi. By Return of the Jedi, he had given Rogue Squadron over to Wedge and from what I understand, kept the title of Commander as an honorary thing and obtained no further military ranks.

I'd love to see this happen. I think it's odd I hit the rank of Colonel in the ground army by only killing rebels in space.

Absolutely. was thinking about this the other day.

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For all the stupid posts that say how would that work bla bla bla im going to list all navy ranks it would work the same way but when you enlist at your recuter they would just ask are you enlisting for ground forces or navy. now thats done here are the ranks

Seamen Recuit

Seaman Apperentace

Seamen

Petty Officer 3rd class

Petty Officer 2nd class

Petty Officer 1st class

Chief Petty Officer

Senior Chief Petty Officer

Master Chief Petty Officer

then Officer ranks

Ensign

Lt. Junior grade or LT. JG

Lt.

Lt. Commander

Commander

Captian

Rear Adm. lower class

Rear Adm. Upper class

Vice Adm.

Adm.

There's already a semi-canon rank structure for pilots, as far as the Rebels go anyway. In the X-wing series. The ranks for the rebel alliance starfighter command are as follows.

• Flight Officer


• Lieutenant


• Captain


• Major


• Colonel


• General

All pilots are officers, there are no enlisted pilots. I guess while they are in Starfighter training they are just referred to as "Cadets" Very few people in any armed services become an officer from being enlisted first.

The Imperial pilots as far as I know are part of the Imperial Navy and don't have a seperate starfighter corps so they would receive naval ranks.

An Idea for separating the Ground and Space Rank titles, EGG SALAD (I think) its the Decoration the The Brim of the Hats for Naval/Airforce/Army Officers. The Airforce has Clouds and Lighting, The navy has anchors and Rope, And i Cant Remember what the army uses

You are refering to "scrambled Eggs" and "farts and Darts." THe farts and darts are Air Force and the Eggs are for those lowly peoplr that can't perform true three dimensional combat.

As for Navy Seal. They don't exist in SW. So it doesn't matter. As for the people that want Navy Ranks. You want USA Navy Ranks. These "navies" are multi xenos forces. Not restricted to only one country. The ranks that I have seen used in SW don't relate to the USN. There is no Grand Admiral in the USN. Not sure about the UK Navy. It seems to me that the millitary ranks for SW come from Europe and not the "new World."

To be honest I really don't care what the rank is but I ahve to agree with the person that said if you want the Naval Titles you're restricted to space. FOr soem of you that wouldn't matter and you would make the jump with out any problem.

There is another thing that has come to mind now. NONE of us have gone through any of the Naval Academies for SW. So no one here is truely a Navy officer. In fact we are all miltia. More in common with the Air National Guard of the USA. I don't believe the Navy has reserve of guard components that have/mantain aircraft. The ANG is US Air Force Guard component. They use the USAF force structure and that means "Army" officer ranks.

As for being forced in to the "Army" ranks I seem to rember that Wedge was a General and not an Admril(sp).

Space Fighter craft pilots seem to use the Air Force rank structure for officers in almost all Sci-Fi I have seen. Don't know why but that is teh way it seems to go.

Sounds interesting.

I'll go for it.
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