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Thread: I pvp in a RGI, I don't care what size the hitbox is
Ducimus wrote:
As for bria, im probably mistaken but lately im under the impression that old style "queensburrow rules" are slowly going away to a "I pwn u" environment with everyone in their "uber" ships. Lots of groundpounders have come up top thinking their hot stuff talking smack, and lots of older pilots are slowly going away. At least that my impression. This makes me not care anymore, but there are still decent people coming up, and i always treat those with civility. The rest ill let drift in space to eject and put on my ignore list.
So who cares about the ground pounders. You and I both know you're going to vape them no matter what ship they're flying. Instead of turning yourself into an "I pwn u" pilot who will fly anything to win, try setting an example for the rest of the server. I garuntee you that the trend of the old timers leaving or not playing nice will turn around.
Hell, you might even try helping out the ground pounders turned pilots. Tell them about RE'd engines vs. Player mades and how YPR is king over speed. Let them in on the nuances of droid commands and energy management. And all the while hint how the JSF is for sissies 
So you might create some competition for yourself. Maybe they'll get good if you help them. Are you afraid of losing?
You're killing space PvP on your server with your attitude and then you come complain about how space PvP sucks. Try improving your attitude and maybe everyone else will follow. I already know someone who is giving it a shot:
LeaphChausew wrote:
Thing is...for all the new pilots flaming eachother and overly compensating for certain things with their uber rotw pimped ships...I can assure you I'm having more fun with my A-wing. How do I know? Well simple...My ingame attitude is better.
-Leaph
The A wing remains viable because it has *just* enough mass to fit an L8 engine and not make much of a sacrafice in other areas, plus it has a decent weaponspread and profile. If i were still a rebel pilot, id be flying it too.
On bria, if your not using a L8 engine your at a disadvantage. I catagoricly refuse to pvp any ship that: 1. Has chin mounted guns, and 2.) cannot fit an L8 engine into the chassis without having to sacrafice much in the way of shields or other subsystems. If the Tie interceptor were 65K mass, id be flying that instead.
As for Pvp on bria, its alot like a working in supermarket. (wee one of my first jobs back in high school). People come in waves.. then you wont see anyone in a long time, then this huge wave comes in, and then nothing for awhile. Right now, i dont care of Pvp lives or dies on bria. Ultimatley it lacks a point. I need a real objective to stay motivated to play. Right now my only objective that i can tangibly see is to put a damper on the immediate FP farming, Thats it, and to me its just buisness, not pleasure, and not because i really care to anymore either. Right now, even that is wearing thin on me. If it werent for that, i think id be mining to make some POB parts for my deci, and just generally being the ultimate carebear in space, or retiring to the ground and become a ground pounder myself.
Anyway, im done, ive spoken my peace and had my say to vent.
All said, i think i might retire from pvp completely very soon. Its just not what it used to be, and i don't like it as much as i used to.
Its one thing to complain about a ship that you feel is unbalanced. But we've had that conversation already and agree that we will never agree on which era's shipsare unbalanced.
Its something entirely different to fly a ship who's hitbox is just plain messed up.
On that note, I don't blame you for flying it, because loadout/mass wise, I think the RGTie is pretty well balanced. Its got a neat look to it, being red and its presents the ability to actually fly an... (omg!) TIE as an Imperial.
You know Rapax, you need to learn to ignore the noobs. If they are spamming you with hate for flying it, well, who gives a flying rats arse? Truth is that when you fly against a real pilot, even in yourbusted TIE, YOU will know if you won or lost and the other guy will know as well, regardless of hitbox errors, and that's all that matters. Coming here and going into full on vent mode really doesn't accomplish much other than to lower some people's perception of you.
You know i thought about that. But, i am playing the game exactly as sony has presented it. With no "extra ciricular effort" from me at all. Im not exploiting KSE disks for uber parts, and im not exploiting shields for 4800 F/B shields either.
Anyway, im out of gas and motivation.
if i went overt ina starter z95, will you promise to send me to the stars in quark-sized bits over and over again 'til you're bored?
Sometimes i'm bored enough to do stupid stuff like that lol
JediNg wrote:if i went overt in a starter z95, will you promise to send me to the stars in quark-sized bits over and over again 'til you're bored?
Sometimes i'm bored enough to do stupid stuff like that lol
My pinnacle of boredom was flying a 40K mass T/ln in DS with L6 engine, L7 gun, MK II armor and no shields into DS. Named it suicidal manic. That was such a hoot, i think ill do that one more time before i retire.
Edit: acutally ill do that tonight maybe, except ill name the ship, "Ez kill 4 u" or something like that. If i still win ANY fights, then they really most truly suck.
Message Edited by Ducimus on 07-25-2005 01:40 PM
Message Edited by JediNg on 07-25-2005 01:41 PM
I can grind in excess of 40,000 [FP] in a few hours' time, and oh gee, that just so happens to be the cost of a brand new, harder-to-take-down-because-you-*gasp*-have-to-OVERT SF Detachment HQ.
I have most of the groundpounding population of Eclipse scoffing at my thinly veiled threats.
We'll see their thoughts when every planet is 1000+:xxx, and we'll also see what happens when they manage to take one down only to see two more go up in its place.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 07-25-2005 04:47 PM
Ducimus wrote:
Leaph, has always been an absolute gem of a person. If only we could all be like him. Seriously. And probably my only defense. He knows ive tried just about everything before finally giving up and using an RGI.
All said, i think i might retire from pvp completely very soon. Its just not what it used to be, and i don't like it as much as i used to.
Yeh totally. He has tried -everything-. Dum' has flown every faction pilot sqdrn now[some more than once]and so I think there are few people as qualified as him when it comes to having a reasonable all round comparative knowledge about all the ships in this game.
I know also and have stated rather buntly in a different thread that this 'balance of the rotw ships' debate has gone full circle and round again and again, never moving on or coming to what seems to be a communal definitive settlement. Personally...I've been finding myself very much sitting on the fence with the new ships.
The only fighter I can honestly say I believe needs adjustment is the topic of this thread..the RG TIE. I understand Dum's reasoning for flying it and to be fair..I don't think I can fault him or lose respect for him or even anyone else no matter what their skill level is for flying the ship. My problem isn't with the pilot's flying the ship or with my success vs. RG TIES, but my problem is with the logic. A standard Interceptor has the same r,p,y modifiers and speed as an RG TIE but just lower mass and it's less pretty...but it is still an awesome ship..or was at least. What we have now is...
The RG TIE:
1.Same engine speed modifier as an A-wing/Standard Squint/TIE Advanced
2. Better r,p,y acceleration than an A-wing/same as theStandard Squint
3.80K Mass which is a huge improvement over the standard squint and even the TIE Advanced/A-wing so you can fit some scary stuff into it.
4.Single weapon slot...but which gives the best weapon coverage for any single weapon ship.
Now lets take that into consideration.I won't change my oppinion that a ship's hitbox should be the size of the -ship-..and it is TOTALLY unnessacary to have the RGI's hitbox so ridiculously small because it doesn't -NEED- it due to the fact itwould still outclass an A-wing for example if it did share the same hitbox as the standard interceptor.I'm sorry, but you'd have to be insane and totally unreasonable to fault that logic. True...even with a normal hitbox...an RG TIE can easily carry a great re'd engine and shield so any direct hits would easily be shunted but at least the hits their opponents made would be undeniable and at least half -valid- rather than any 'hit' you made which didn't count being waved off as bad client side detection.
The above is why I cannot really argue with the JSF/Belb from now on. Hitbox wise, they fit the criteria and ok..their mass allows lvl 10 stuff to be used without too much sacrifice on any part of the ship but...I don't deal with bigmass issues.....I'm an A-wing pilot. I know the limitations of my craft and so does any reasonable pvp enemy of mine. Any room for arguement for me saying 'oh that ship you're using is unfair' is invalid because at the end of the day....apart from the arguement that during this period we should all be in GCW era ships etc and not Clone Wars relics....I have the option to use one of those uber ROTW ships if I wanted to and yeh...I'd probably do a fair bit more arse kicking..it's just as I am trying to say, any arguement I'd have would be void because I choose myself to fly an inferior ship.
The lesson is...Quit whining and try your best, or join the crowd.
-Leaph
Don't hate the player hate the game. And don't hate a pilot with a"bugged" hit box if you are trying to hit that pilot with a "bugged" droid command *cough*WO3*cough*blackkettle*
I am an Interceptor pilot. My daddy was an Interceptor pilot. My grandaddy was an Interceptor pilot. My aunt Gertty on my mothers side was an Interceptor pilot. I love Interceptors. Pre ROTW I had a total of 23 PVP kills between Shadowfire and Starsider. All in my Interceptor. Post ROTW I've had 9. 2 in my old Interceptor,2 in an ETA, 3 in a B-22, 2 in my RGI.
I don't like the Eta. It handels well enough but I just don't like it. The B-22 is the 57 Chevy of fighters. With lvl1 boosters on it she looks mean. But she's all looks to me. My heart is in the Interceptor. And the RGI is by far one cool piece of Interceptor. While it's not as manuverable as the other ROTW ships is it far more sexay.
I fly overt all the time. I fly my RGI all the time. If I get attacked I will shoot the other pilot down. I am sorry that my hit box is smaller but you are dealing with one of the Emperors personal escort fighters and one hell of a good pilot with a very mean engine and EO4 running in and out of DS. Small hitbox, corvette size hibox,I am hard to hit.
However, because of my engine I have light shields and no armor. So if you can get a lock on me and light me up with an IR then it's game over (good luck getting the lock). Knowing that an RGI isn't missile proof, knowing how the Eta and B-22 are built and perform I don't see what all the fuss is about.
I am not an RGI bandwagon jumper and I am not going to stop being an Interceptor pilot just because the Devs may have screwed up. I still think that the RGI SHOULD be hard to hit considering the ship that it is. This is not your fathers front line Interceptor. Also concider that there are more pilots out there who don't fly the RGI than do. Most Imp pilots are very quick to abandon their TIES for an Eta or B-22.
They could always give my old Interceptor 10k more mass. I'd be happy with that.
Dragon942 wrote:
Ok so let me get this straight.
All you guys from Bria are complaining about how space PvP isn't fun any more because its so unbalanced yada yada yada.
Yet you are all exploiting known bugs in your equipment or ships, excpet for Leaph who has some morals and sticks with his A-Wing...but has also stopped flying, presumably because its no fun going up against the exploiters in his A-Wing.
Now if you guys really arethe top pilots on Bria, why don't you just come to a friendly understanding of what ships and equipment to use? Then you can all have fun in duels and battles, and still be able to over come everyone else that flies exploited ships through your skill, since once again we are assuming you guys are the top pilots on the server.
Ducimus, try out the Heavy TIE for a while. It had more mass than the RGI and about equal handling. It's obviously going to require more effort in being evasive during defense and require that you learn to shoot AT the target, but these are things you can get used to. After flying it for a while, I much prefer the chin mounted cannons (even though they took a while to get used to) because I know the shot is going were I aimed.
If you guys are as good as you say you will have no problem taking out the faction grinders in DS and you will have much more fun flying in DS. The top PvPers on Bloodfin have a good understanding between the Rebels and Imps on what equipment we consider fair. Hardly anyone that comes to DS to PvP any more is flying a JSF or RGI. We tend to limit the use of missiles. I don't know anyone using 0 mass components or 3k+ shields. This is because we have an understanding that having fun is more important than winning.
There's life in the old poptart yet mate. dusted off my flightsuit again earlier.