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Thread: FP in space.. it is there.
PaceNebulon wrote:
the top pilots on Starsider fly JSF's, not all but most. From what Tomo has told me when I asked him about what ship, he recommendedto fly in PvP. He said that I should use the JSF because it had a smaller hit box. So I tried it out and started using in our sort-of weekly PvP Battles. then I started hearing all the crap about JSF's but there was Tomo still in his as well as a couple rebel top pilots. I think it is because a top pilot knows every advantage should be taken. while winning is not nessesary for fun, why not be at your best. I say if your best is in a JSF then use it, don't forsake it and pretend to be somehow superior to those that do use it, and if your best is in a y-wing LP or Oppressor use that. It is all about your fighting style and what ship works best with it, not what other people think or whether you think it is a crutch/exploit or not.
I think that a lot of the griping comes from the fact that there are two very different schools/philosophies of gamers taking part, not just here, but in all online games.
1) The gamers who want their avatar/toon/etc to be as good as possible.
2) The gamers that want their own skills (read: the player, not the avatar) to be as good as possible.
Before the days of online gaming this was never an issue. If you wanted to change the game settings to Easy Mode in order to run around and readily smite hoardes of enemies, perfectly fine and dandy. The only one seeing any change in it was the player, the NPCs/CPU couldn't care less. They're merely programmed to respond.
If you wanted to start every game onDifficult Mode to push yourself and your abilities to their maximum, and overcome disadvantageous odds to still try to emerge the victor, such was your choice as well. And the only person's gaming experience that this effected, again, was the single player.
But now we have Easy Mode people using their JSFs / Bel-22 / etc because they want every advantage possible. Unfortunately, that style of gameplay ruins the gameplay of those who want to push themselves and their abilities in Difficult Mode. In this environment, both types of players have to co-exist, and it's at the expense of those who care less about being the most uber, and more about sticking with a theme or facing a challenge.
Until game designers can come up with a way to shift the paradigm that exists right now to make it enjoyable for those of both schools of gaming, the Easy Mode people will continue to come out on top. It's neither side's fault, it's just the limit of current technology / rules / code.
Am I going to get smoked 9 times out of 10 when I overt up in my Y-wing and head to Deep Space? Probably. Sure there are total noobs running around in their JSFs asking "How do u make ur droid work!?!?!?!?" and they'll die. But there are some really excellent pilots that fly those too, simply for the advantage it gives them. And those are the ones that will chew up my Longprobe 90% of the time, due less to skill comparison than equipment comparison, but in the end - it's my choice to overt up in a Y-wing.
Just that I, personally, feel less need to be uber, and enjoy the challenge of flying the ships I do.
As soon as more of the pilots realize this, on both sides of the 'debate', the sooner we can go back to having fun with our respective play styles, trying to make the best of things as they are, and do away with this bickering. Hopefully someone will come up with a better system in the near future and it'll be even more enjoyable overall.
Yeah, that was more long-winded than I'd anticipated.
DanteTheMagnificent wrote:
PaceNebulon wrote:
the top pilots on Starsider fly JSF's, not all but most. From what Tomo has told me when I asked him about what ship, he recommendedto fly in PvP. He said that I should use the JSF because it had a smaller hit box. So I tried it out and started using in our sort-of weekly PvP Battles. then I started hearing all the crap about JSF's but there was Tomo still in his as well as a couple rebel top pilots. I think it is because a top pilot knows every advantage should be taken. while winning is not nessesary for fun, why not be at your best. I say if your best is in a JSF then use it, don't forsake it and pretend to be somehow superior to those that do use it, and if your best is in a y-wing LP or Oppressor use that. It is all about your fighting style and what ship works best with it, not what other people think or whether you think it is a crutch/exploit or not.
I think that a lot of the griping comes from the fact that there are two very different schools/philosophies of gamers taking part, not just here, but in all online games.
1) The gamers who want their avatar/toon/etc to be as good as possible.
2) The gamers that want their own skills (read: the player, not the avatar) to be as good as possible.
Before the days of online gaming this was never an issue. If you wanted to change the game settings to Easy Mode in order to run around and readily smite hoardes of enemies, perfectly fine and dandy. The only one seeing any change in it was the player, the NPCs/CPU couldn't care less. They're merely programmed to respond.
If you wanted to start every game onDifficult Mode to push yourself and your abilities to their maximum, and overcome disadvantageous odds to still try to emerge the victor, such was your choice as well. And the only person's gaming experience that this effected, again, was the single player.
But now we have Easy Mode people using their JSFs / Bel-22 / etc because they want every advantage possible. Unfortunately, that style of gameplay ruins the gameplay of those who want to push themselves and their abilities in Difficult Mode. In this environment, both types of players have to co-exist, and it's at the expense of those who care less about being the most uber, and more about sticking with a theme or facing a challenge.
Until game designers can come up with a way to shift the paradigm that exists right now to make it enjoyable for those of both schools of gaming, the Easy Mode people will continue to come out on top. It's neither side's fault, it's just the limit of current technology / rules / code.
Am I going to get smoked 9 times out of 10 when I overt up in my Y-wing and head to Deep Space? Probably. Sure there are total noobs running around in their JSFs asking "How do u make ur droid work!?!?!?!?" and they'll die. But there are some really excellent pilots that fly those too, simply for the advantage it gives them. And those are the ones that will chew up my Longprobe 90% of the time, due less to skill comparison than equipment comparison, but in the end - it's my choice to overt up in a Y-wing.
Just that I, personally, feel less need to be uber, and enjoy the challenge of flying the ships I do.
As soon as more of the pilots realize this, on both sides of the 'debate', the sooner we can go back to having fun with our respective play styles, trying to make the best of things as they are, and do away with this bickering. Hopefully someone will come up with a better system in the near future and it'll be even more enjoyable overall.
Yeah, that was more long-winded than I'd anticipated.
I semi agree with this... however I am not going to get into because I definitly agree that we should just put it behind us. Although, I am glad that this little debate didn't turn into a flamefest or "bickering" like this subject has before.
not true at all. you want it hard, fine, fly an inferior ship.
a bit before rotw went live i flew around in a 20k mass tie for a couple days and had a 10-1 KDR with it. this was with NO exploited parts, just a teir1 tie and well selectedtier1-2 parts.
i had a blast doing alot with a little, and there are alot of pilots out there doing the same. if you want a challenge, this is it.
S-1-l2-H-C wrote:
not true at all. you want it hard, fine, fly an inferior ship.
a bit before rotw went live i flew around in a 20k mass tie for a couple days and had a 10-1 KDR with it. this was with NO exploited parts, just a teir1 tie and well selectedtier1-2 parts.
i had a blast doing alot with a little, and there are alot of pilots out there doing the same. if you want a challenge, this is it.
Bravo, good show.
*EDIT - Additionally: A ship full of known bugged/exploited 0 mass KSE / RE'd components doesn't count, either.*
Message Edited by DanteTheMagnificent on 07-28-2005 03:36 PM
PaceNebulon wrote:
the top pilots on Starsider fly JSF's, not all but most. From what Tomo has told me when I asked him about what ship, he recommendedto fly in PvP. He said that I should use the JSF because it had a smaller hit box. So I tried it out and started using in our sort-of weekly PvP Battles. then I started hearing all the crap about JSF's but there was Tomo still in his as well as a couple rebel top pilots. I think it is because a top pilot knows every advantage should be taken. while winning is not nessesary for fun, why not be at your best. I say if your best is in a JSF then use it, don't forsake it and pretend to be somehow superior to those that do use it, and if your best is in a y-wing LP or Oppressor use that. It is all about your fighting style and what ship works best with it, not what other people think or whether you think it is a crutch/exploit or not.
Yeah yeah, stick with the Composite armor and the Rifleman/CM template. Its a perfect match, soulless clone pilots for a soulless clone war in soulless clone relics.
That's one of the things that made PvP on the ground as pathetic as it used to be. Who cares if you were Rebel or Imperial, as long as you had the 1337 ub3r template skillz w/ teh pwnXX0r haxd gear and pwn'd ppl. And if everyone else had the same thing, who cared? As long as you could shoot them, it was all good.
S-1-l2-H-C wrote:
DanteTheMagnificent wrote:
S-1-l2-H-C wrote:
not true at all. you want it hard, fine, fly an inferior ship.
a bit before rotw went live i flew around in a 20k mass tie for a couple days and had a 10-1 KDR with it. this was with NO exploited parts, just a teir1 tie and well selectedtier1-2 parts.
i had a blast doing alot with a little, and there are alot of pilots out there doing the same. if you want a challenge, this is it.
Bravo, good show.
And were all 10 of those kills knowledgeable, skilled, PvP veteran pilots? If so, then very good show indeed.
I'd have a hard time buying that though. Not saying it's not true. Just that evidence and firsthand experience would lead me to that conclusion.
You could put the Red Baron in a crop duster with a slingshot and he''s still never going to beat 2nd. Lt. Rookieman fresh out of flight school in an F-16.
*EDIT - Additionally: A ship full of known bugged/exploited 0 mass KSE / RE'd components doesn't count, either.*
Message Edited by DanteTheMagnificent on 07-28-2005 03:36 PM
no most were idiots, but i got one awing that knew his stuff. the only death was to a krayt that pulsed me, i was pretty mad about that. i guess when he accepeted the duel, and i was on his tail in blink chipping away with the l4 gun, he got scared.
im just saying that copmlaining about everyone flying a jsf because some people want a challenge is a wrong way to think of it. having most ppl in a superior ship IS a challenge, and should be viewed as such.
i fly a jsf myself because i want to be on the bleeding edge and compete with the best.
S-1-l2-H-C wrote:
im just saying that copmlaining about everyone flying a jsf because some people want a challenge is a wrong way to think of it. having most ppl in a superior ship IS a challenge, and should be viewed as such.
PaceNebulon wrote:
yeah... it kinda got on my nerves. so every now and then I load up a heavy starter ship and fly around overt at starter ship speeds and hang out around space stations. I love the hate tells I get after some jerk makes a run at me and I spin around and send a L10 blaster bolt into his cockpit.
Muhahaha. The first victim after I put my TIE Heavy together was some guy at the Tatooine Space Station. I flew up to him at 400 speed and asked if he wanted to duel. I think I messed up the paintjob on his brand new B22
Dragon942 wrote:
PaceNebulon wrote:
yeah... it kinda got on my nerves. so every now and then I load up a heavy starter ship and fly around overt at starter ship speeds and hang out around space stations. I love the hate tells I get after some jerk makes a run at me and I spin around and send a L10 blaster bolt into his cockpit.
Muhahaha. The first victim after I put my TIE Heavy together was some guy at the Tatooine Space Station. I flew up to him at 400 speed and asked if he wanted to duel. I think I messed up the paintjob on his brand new B22
i love doing that! fly around at 400, act like a noob, make sure your ship is unnamed, and spam shots at people with a gun that has the same effect as the prototype weapon.... then /duel everyone.
i wonder what goes through their mind when i suddenlyaccelerate to 1400 and glue myself to their tail.
PaceNebulon wrote:
yeah... it kinda got on my nerves. so every now and then I load up a heavy starter ship and fly around overt at starter ship speeds and hang out around space stations. I love the hate tells I get after some jerk makes a run at me and I spin around and send a L10 blaster bolt into his cockpit.
meh. I used to do that in actual starter ships (well, a crafted Headhunter). More fun and challenging.
PaceNebulon wrote:
the top pilots on Starsider fly JSF's, not all but most. From what Tomo has told me when I asked him about what ship, he recommendedto fly in PvP. He said that I should use the JSF because it had a smaller hit box. So I tried it out and started using in our sort-of weekly PvP Battles. then I started hearing all the crap about JSF's but there was Tomo still in his as well as a couple rebel top pilots. I think it is because a top pilot knows every advantage should be taken. while winning is not nessesary for fun, why not be at your best. I say if your best is in a JSF then use it, don't forsake it and pretend to be somehow superior to those that do use it, and if your best is in a y-wing LP or Oppressor use that. It is all about your fighting style and what ship works best with it, not what other people think or whether you think it is a crutch/exploit or not.
ADV X wing FTW with a RE'd lvl 10 with EO4 you should be able to jink past and tail basically anything and still have mass for good sheilds, armor and a high end damage load out