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Thread: Anyone else want to see NAVY ranks introduced for JTL?
CuchulainnDarklight
Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:18 pm
#40
Kirkmeister wrote:
What about Air Force ranks? Being a brit, I'm proud of the RAF and we have some cool rank titles. On a side note, still sort of on topic. I set the guild titles for our members on the terminals. Now it doesn't allow General etc. What it does allow though is Field Marshal, and Air Marshal, the highest rank in the Army and 3rd highest in the RAF. Interesting that it allows the highest Army rank possible, but not General or Major etc
I must say that the Navy and Air Force ranks are much better than Army Ranks. Of course the Navy and Air force always have a better class of officer)
Message Edited by Kirkmeister on 07-19-2005 08:33 PM
Not strictly true mate, im not wet, or in the clouds and im a posh git!
Raven1974
Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:53 pm
#41
In a previous post someone thought that the rank of Naval Captain (O-6) shouldn't be used because they normally command Captial scale ships. While this is true, Navy Captains can, and do, serve as commanding officers for Air Squadrons. So it is not out of place to use this rank. After all, the ground ranks do allow you to attain the rank of Colonel which is also O-6 and would normally be given to those in command of military installations.
And yes, I do speak from experience.
Just my two cents. I too would love to see the use of Naval ranks.
JediNg
Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:05 pm
#43
KaylBreinhar wrote:
Yalton wrote:
A Navy guy cna confirm or refute this but I believe for the US Navy it is:
Ensign
Lt, Junior Grade
Lt
LT Commander
Commander
Captian Then the four Adms.
No player should have a rank Higher then Lt Commander if we went to Navy Ranks.
Why? Captians command BIG ships. Not just corvettes and destroyers. The commander of a ship is still traditional called a captain but the light ships don't ahve captians commanding most of them.
Captians command things like Bases, Flotillas and the large ships ( Cariers and battle wagons ).
Admirals command large battle groups or and bigger.
Lt Commanders are the ones that command most of the fighter wings and the patrol sized boats aren't even commanded by Lt COmmanders. The PT boats from World War Two were commanded by at most by a Lt. Why PT boats? Because that is teh closest to what the Decimators, Novas and YTs are. In fact the Nova and the YT being transports and cargo ships probably would have at most a Lt Commander.
Now, Freelance tosses in a reall dilema here... Pirates never did ahve a good rank system. Corporations would hire who ever was good and they have a structure but they don't follow the navys version. In fact since most ofteh comercial pilots I know like to fly small planes in their personal time I would bet that there would be more Retired Captians fling YTs then Imp or Rebel Captians flying Decimators or Novas. Independent traders can all them selves what ever they like.
On a personel note I would like to see all officer ranks disapear from the ground for every one BUT squad leaders. Squad leaders should be able to get to the rank of Army Captian. Once you to the rank of Major on the ground you should be COMMANDING groups larger then what we can for right now. A captian is supposed to be commanding a COMPANY of people. That is supposed to be 100 people. Not 7 people.
I can't rember if there is an Imp air force but the US Air Force use a ranks system for the officers that is identicle to the Army. In fact the marines use the same structure as the Army. So the odd balls that are being left on earth is the Navy... Since the Air Force Controls Space.
To be more specific...
...former Navy brat talking...
O-1 - Ensign
O-2 - Lieutenant (or possibly Leftenant in British nomenclature), Junior Grade
O-3 - Lieutenant
O-4 - Lieutenant Commander (the vast majority of Naval officers stop here)
O-5 - Commander (more get sloughed off at this rank)
O-6 - Captain (~99% of officers stop here) Also, at O-6, specifically in the Air and Naval Warfare arms, there's a "titular" rank known as "Commodore." You're still an O-6, but the term Commodore is mostly reserved for Wing Commanders and Ship Squadron Commanders.
O-7 - Rear Admiral
O-8 - Rear Admiral (no, NOT a typo - 7 is a 'lower' [one star] RADM whilst 8 is the 'upper' [two star])
O-9 - Vice Admiral
O-10 - Admiral
O-11 - Fleet Admiral (only used ONCE, for four people - Nimitz, Leahy, King, and Halsey, and is normally reserved for times of war)
It's still spelt as Lieutenant, just pronounced differently.
La-grange
Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:14 pm
#44
Well since a submarine is one step below (hehe...former bubble head here) a space craft. And since the Navy has the structure and disciplineto acutally pull space exploration and combat off in large ships (Airforce/army....yeeesh...get real...naval forceshas had expertise in that area for thousands of years). Then yes I agree.
La-grange
Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:19 pm
#45
Yalton wrote:
A Navy guy cna confirm or refute this but I believe for the US Navy it is:
Ensign
Lt, Junior Grade
Lt
LT Commander
Commander
Captian Then the four Adms.
No player should have a rank Higher then Lt Commander if we went to Navy Ranks.
Why? Captians command BIG ships. Not just corvettes and destroyers. The commander of a ship is still traditional called a captain but the light ships don't ahve captians commanding most of them.
Captians command things like Bases, Flotillas and the large ships ( Cariers and battle wagons )./
Admirals command large battle groups or and bigger.
Lt Commanders are the ones that command most of the fighter wings and the patrol sized boats aren't even commanded by Lt COmmanders. The PT boats from World War Two were commanded by at most by a Lt. Why PT boats? Because that is teh closest to what the Decimators, Novas and YTs are. In fact the Nova and the YT being transports and cargo ships probably would have at most a Lt Commander.
Now, Freelance tosses in a reall dilema here... Pirates never did ahve a good rank system. Corporations would hire who ever was good and they have a structure but they don't follow the navys version. In fact since most ofteh comercial pilots I know like to fly small planes in their personal time I would bet that there would be more Retired Captians fling YTs then Imp or Rebel Captians flying Decimators or Novas. Independent traders can all them selves what ever they like.
On a personel note I would like to see all officer ranks disapear from the ground for every one BUT squad leaders. Squad leaders should be able to get to the rank of Army Captian. Once you to the rank of Major on the ground you should be COMMANDING groups larger then what we can for right now. A captian is supposed to be commanding a COMPANY of people. That is supposed to be 100 people. Not 7 people.
I can't rember if there is an Imp air force but the US Air Force use a ranks system for the officers that is identicle to the Army. In fact the marines use the same structure as the Army. So the odd balls that are being left on earth is the Navy... Since the Air Force Controls Space.
And yet the navy is the logical step in space exploration. The only thing that changes is the medium. instead of an ocean of water it is an ocean of stars. The only logical step for space is the navy.
KaylBreinhar
Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:15 am
#47
Yalton wrote:
A Navy guy cna confirm or refute this but I believe for the US Navy it is:
Ensign
Lt, Junior Grade
Lt
LT Commander
Commander
Captian Then the four Adms.
No player should have a rank Higher then Lt Commander if we went to Navy Ranks.
Why? Captians command BIG ships. Not just corvettes and destroyers. The commander of a ship is still traditional called a captain but the light ships don't ahve captians commanding most of them.
Captians command things like Bases, Flotillas and the large ships ( Cariers and battle wagons ).
Admirals command large battle groups or and bigger.
Lt Commanders are the ones that command most of the fighter wings and the patrol sized boats aren't even commanded by Lt COmmanders. The PT boats from World War Two were commanded by at most by a Lt. Why PT boats? Because that is teh closest to what the Decimators, Novas and YTs are. In fact the Nova and the YT being transports and cargo ships probably would have at most a Lt Commander.
Now, Freelance tosses in a reall dilema here... Pirates never did ahve a good rank system. Corporations would hire who ever was good and they have a structure but they don't follow the navys version. In fact since most ofteh comercial pilots I know like to fly small planes in their personal time I would bet that there would be more Retired Captians fling YTs then Imp or Rebel Captians flying Decimators or Novas. Independent traders can all them selves what ever they like.
On a personel note I would like to see all officer ranks disapear from the ground for every one BUT squad leaders. Squad leaders should be able to get to the rank of Army Captian. Once you to the rank of Major on the ground you should be COMMANDING groups larger then what we can for right now. A captian is supposed to be commanding a COMPANY of people. That is supposed to be 100 people. Not 7 people.
I can't rember if there is an Imp air force but the US Air Force use a ranks system for the officers that is identicle to the Army. In fact the marines use the same structure as the Army. So the odd balls that are being left on earth is the Navy... Since the Air Force Controls Space.
To be more specific...
...former Navy brat talking...
O-1 - Ensign
O-2 - Lieutenant (or possibly Leftenant in British nomenclature), Junior Grade
O-3 - Lieutenant
O-4 - Lieutenant Commander (the vast majority of Naval officers stop here)
O-5 - Commander (more get sloughed off at this rank)
O-6 - Captain (~99% of officers stop here) Also, at O-6, specifically in the Air and Naval Warfare arms, there's a "titular" rank known as "Commodore." You're still an O-6, but the term Commodore is mostly reserved for Wing Commanders and Ship Squadron Commanders.
O-7 - Rear Admiral
O-8 - Rear Admiral (no, NOT a typo - 7 is a 'lower' [one star] RADM whilst 8 is the 'upper' [two star])
O-9 - Vice Admiral
O-10 - Admiral
O-11 - Fleet Admiral (only used ONCE, for four people - Nimitz, Leahy, King, and Halsey, and is normally reserved for times of war)
Kirkmeister
Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:32 am
#48
What about Air Force ranks? Being a brit, I'm proud of the RAF and we have some cool rank titles. On a side note, still sort of on topic. I set the guild titles for our members on the terminals. Now it doesn't allow General etc. What it does allow though is Field Marshal, and Air Marshal, the highest rank in the Army and 3rd highest in the RAF . Interesting that it allows the highest Army rank possible, but not General or Major etc 
. Interesting that it allows the highest Army rank possible, but not General or Major etc I must say that the Navy and Air Force ranks are much better than Army Ranks. Of course the Navy and Air force always have a better class of officer (if you want to bea snob )
(if you want to bea snob )Message Edited by Kirkmeister on 07-19-2005 08:33 PM
echored
Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:15 am
#50
Yalton wrote:
A Navy guy cna confirm or refute this but I believe for the US Navy it is:
Ensign
Lt, Junior Grade
Lt
LT Commander
Commander
Captian Then the four Adms.
No player should have a rank Higher then Lt Commander if we went to Navy Ranks.
Why? Captians command BIG ships. Not just corvettes and destroyers. The commander of a ship is still traditional called a captain but the light ships don't ahve captians commanding most of them.
Captians command things like Bases, Flotillas and the large ships ( Cariers and battle wagons ).
Admirals command large battle groups or and bigger.
Lt Commanders are the ones that command most of the fighter wings and the patrol sized boats aren't even commanded by Lt COmmanders. The PT boats from World War Two were commanded by at most by a Lt. Why PT boats? Because that is teh closest to what the Decimators, Novas and YTs are. In fact the Nova and the YT being transports and cargo ships probably would have at most a Lt Commander.
Now, Freelance tosses in a reall dilema here... Pirates never did ahve a good rank system. Corporations would hire who ever was good and they have a structure but they don't follow the navys version. In fact since most ofteh comercial pilots I know like to fly small planes in their personal time I would bet that there would be more Retired Captians fling YTs then Imp or Rebel Captians flying Decimators or Novas. Independent traders can all them selves what ever they like.
On a personel note I would like to see all officer ranks disapear from the ground for every one BUT squad leaders. Squad leaders should be able to get to the rank of Army Captian. Once you to the rank of Major on the ground you should be COMMANDING groups larger then what we can for right now. A captian is supposed to be commanding a COMPANY of people. That is supposed to be 100 people. Not 7 people.
I can't rember if there is an Imp air force but the US Air Force use a ranks system for the officers that is identicle to the Army. In fact the marines use the same structure as the Army. So the odd balls that are being left on earth is the Navy... Since the Air Force Controls Space.
I agree with you. I think i have seen a Commander as a squadron Leader, and i have seen Captains as CAG. I think maybe it would be nice to see some of this as an added bonus to the game. I have seen Admirals with Wings, but i am not sure if they are on active flight status.
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pgm2b2
Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:33 am
#51
Ooh I like that idea, maybe burn up some of that 40million rebel prestige I have kicking around
rols_cerentz
Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:20 am
#52
La-grange wrote:Well since a submarine is one step below (hehe...former bubble head here) a space craft. And since the Navy has the structure and discipline to acutally pull space exploration and combat off in large ships (Airforce/army....yeeesh...get real...naval forces has had expertise in that area for thousands of years). Then yes I agree.
If the Navy would be so much better at Space Exploration, how come NASA was born from the Air Force? (Only rhetorical question BTW.)
Space combat and Naval combat are not the same thing. The tactics one uses in water is significantly different then the tactics available in space. There's almost always been a serious problem with the starships used in Star Wars because they are designed to act/react along the lines of World War II Battleships and Fleets.
Star Destroyers, for instance, have an excellent attack profile when coming straight at an enemy vessel and when the "top" of the battleship faces the enemy ship and it has an adequette profile for broadsides. The problem is its rear end, in the original movie designs and in early games there were virtually no rear firing weapons and very few bottom firing weapons. When you have enemies that can come at you from every and any direction, that is a very poor design. It would have been a superior design to have the rear end of the ship also have some kind of pyramid shaped cone with the engines built into and around the rear "cone". This would have allowed for a significant rear fire coverage resulting in a better space battle platform.
That's just one example. We could argue this back and forth all day long, but there are already endless arguments regarding the differences between space and naval combat. Suffice to say, there are some simalarities, but the differences are significant enough that virtually all current Naval tactics would have to be heavily rewritten in order to be effective.