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Thread: Check this out...i got a deal on KSE
The hit box on the KSE is much smaller than it probably should be,
in order to compensate for it's umm... big fat mass.
Although I do have to say I'm having a lot of fun with my JSF,
but it just can't take a beating like my KSE can.
Anyways, to the poster, nice score on the KSE.
NarfBlinko wrote:
PaladinX333, the cost factor on the KSE is completely unrelated to its stats and totally determined by the rarity of the schematics. Do you understand how Shipwrights get the schems for these? If not, I'll tell you. They RE components. When they RE components, there is a small (I don't know the exact number or if it has been determined yet, scour the Shipwright forum if you are that interested) chance that they will get a KSE schematic piece. There are 8 pieces to the schematic. As far as I know, the pieces are not tradeable, but I don't know that for a fact. Once the SW has all 8 pieces, they can make the schem, which is limited use, which means they can craft less than 10 ships using that schem. So, given the rarity of the schems, the price is really high. Combine that with all the resources needed to actually craft the ship and you get the 7+mil price on these. The fact that this guy got one for 200k makes me wonder what the seller was smoking.
Isamu-alva wrote:
200k for a KSE, bah, mine was 8 million lol.
If you can get over it's sluggishness its a really good PVE ship, I use it exclusively for taking vettes down but I wouldn't dream of PVP-ing in it.
I PvP exclusively in a KSE. I'll admit that flying one does handicap you in PvP, however don't assume that everyone you come across in one is any easy kill. I'm not afraid to go 1 on 1 against anyone on Starsider when I'm in my KSE, and not to brag, but I'd say that I win a lot more fights than I lose. That all being said, it probably helps that I have what is probably the best equipped Firespray on any server. It also probably helps that I've been flying the KSE regularily in PvE and PvP with the same engine for months now, which really helps you to get used to the minute details of the ship's handling. If any of you play on Starsider, my in-game name is Adonis. I'm the guy who's always flying the Firespray at the Saturday PvP events, and if you're a rebel, watch out.
OK, about the Jedi cracks awhile ago...you guys are just sick !! Jedi BBQ? You gotta be kidding!! Everyone knows that the only way to fix a Jedi is to Smoke him on an Open Grill!!
Now about the handling of Ships in Space...
Mass is the biggest issue in a vacuum. You still have mass, but you no longer have drag, which is mass plus the effect of an atmosphere ( thats why it doesn't matter what shape a vessel is in space.) Basic physics here: an object in ostion tends to stay in motion. Add to this the fact that the higher reletive mass you have, the higher the energy costs of changing the velocity and direction of movement. It takes more energy and room to make any change, like increase or decrease of velocity, tuns, and rolls.
But there's a part that no one seems to have considered: The shape is irrelevent, but not the SIZE of the ship. The lager the ship reletive to it's mass effects managing the movement in space as well. A large vessel with a reletive low mass for its size will behave slugishly not because of the mass, but because of the same effect seen in the S-rings of Saturn. You can see this same effect when looking at water forced out of a smaller nozzel. The high velocity causes the water to curl and twist. Seems like this would be an effect of the air/ atnosphere, but it's not. Water behaves the same way in a low atmosphere condition, and would in a vacuum if it wouldn't boil away first ( air pressure gives us so many things we take for granted. The only way to keep water from boiling in a vacuum at any tempreture is to freeze it.)
Not that twist is one of the things that makes a KSE with a lower mass handle worse than a B-wing with more mass, but a reletive mass disbursment closer to center.
There ya go.
JaxMeridian wrote:OK, about the Jedi cracks awhile ago...you guys are just sick !! Jedi BBQ? You gotta be kidding!! Everyone knows that the only way to fix a Jedi is to Smoke him on an Open Grill!!
Now about the handling of Ships in Space...
Mass is the biggest issue in a vacuum. You still have mass, but you no longer have drag, which is mass plus the effect of an atmosphere ( thats why it doesn't matter what shape a vessel is in space.) Basic physics here: an object in ostion tends to stay in motion. Add to this the fact that the higher reletive mass you have, the higher the energy costs of changing the velocity and direction of movement. It takes more energy and room to make any change, like increase or decrease of velocity, tuns, and rolls.
But there's a part that no one seems to have considered: The shape is irrelevent, but not the SIZE of the ship. The lager the ship reletive to it's mass effects managing the movement in space as well. A large vessel with a reletive low mass for its size will behave slugishly not because of the mass, but because of the same effect seen in the S-rings of Saturn. You can see this same effect when looking at water forced out of a smaller nozzel. The high velocity causes the water to curl and twist. Seems like this would be an effect of the air/ atnosphere, but it's not. Water behaves the same way in a low atmosphere condition, and would in a vacuum if it wouldn't boil away first ( air pressure gives us so many things we take for granted. The only way to keep water from boiling in a vacuum at any tempreture is to freeze it.)
Not that twist is one of the things that makes a KSE with a lower mass handle worse than a B-wing with more mass, but a reletive mass disbursment closer to center.
There ya go.
So if I understood that correctly, the large ship takes longer to turn because it has to accelerate bit of it(the outermost parts) across a greater distance to complete that turn? Also, the lack of air pressure would definatly lower the boiling point of water (thats why cooking is diferant at high altitude) but, wouldnt it also lower the freezing point? So, water may have to be at -10 (or whatever) in a vacuum to stay liquid but it is stil a liquid.
Also, I know our game isn't based on einstienian/newtonian physics that wasn't what I was trying to say and, a krayt has 210k mass.
I got my KSE free.
A RL friend of mine is a SW in our guild, and he has looted 2 entire sets of KSE blueprints. He gave soem to friends in the guild and sold the rest for a tidy profit. So that's a few mill I won't have to spend.
The deal you got however is sweet. Other than having a SW friend, this is got to be the best price you'll ever see for a KSE(unless the economics in the game change dramaticaly)
Slysix wrote:
PaceNebulon wrote:
Ok all you phisics geeks... I am completely lost can you give a practical example of jerk?
Get two eggs and a pillow.
Put the pillow on the floor.
Hold one egg shoulder high and drop it on the floor.
Hold the other egg shoulder high and drop it on the pillow.
One of the eggs should break the other should not(well if it doesn't bounce off the pillow and hit the floor).
The egg that broke encountered high jerk while the one on the pillow encounter low jerk.
Now go get a mop and bucket and clean up the mess.
Have you guys ever noticed that...
Biology is actually Chemistry?
Chamistry is actually Physics?
Physics is actually Math?
Math is actually Philosophy?
and Philosophy is actually Religion?
er... no.
but that could be because so far ive only had biology in high school....
PaceNebulon wrote:
Ok all you phisics geeks... I am completely lost can you give a practical example of jerk?
Get two eggs and a pillow.
Put the pillow on the floor.
Hold one egg shoulder high and drop it on the floor.
Hold the other egg shoulder high and drop it on the pillow.
One of the eggs should break the other should not(well if it doesn't bounce off the pillow and hit the floor).
The egg that broke encountered high jerk while the one on the pillow encounter low jerk.
Now go get a mop and bucket and clean up the mess.
Have you guys ever noticed that...
Biology is actually Chemistry?
Chamistry is actually Physics?
Physics is actually Math?
Math is actually Philosophy?
and Philosophy is actually Religion?