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Thread: Couple questions about the Jedi Starfighter...

Ducimus
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:28 pm
#27

Uh huh, suuure you didn't.

So, where you getting your info at eh? Seriously if you credible reason to beleive the hitboxes wont ever be looked at no matter what, do tell, you already let the cat out of the bag.



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S-1-l2-H-C
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:32 pm
#28






quadpers0n wrote:

i never said that and you can't prove anything.

Message Edited by quadpers0n on 08-30-2005 05:20 PM





rofl!





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Ducimus
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:43 pm
#29

Dont make me call the Inquisition on your arse!



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quadpers0n
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:47 pm
#30

ok ok, it was robert novak.



-meeuki


lumpini
Ducimus
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:53 pm
#31

No, i think someone who would be "in the know" told you, and asked you to keep it quiet. Or so is my guess. People dont make those kind of statements without good reason to.

All i want to know is, credible source or not? See, you opened it up, and now im having fun with it, and im not gonna let it go tell im satisfied



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quadpers0n
Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:03 pm
#32

just a rumor, that's all i'm saying. do i believe it? yeah, unfortunately i do. given that and darth platypus already saying he doubts the rotw ships will be nerfed, i'd say the only hope for change rests in wo3 being fixed, otherwise we will have to get used to it. i wouldn't have said anything but it's dissapointing to me. i don't see how to rectify the situation reliably without a nerf. maybe you up the mass values on bigger hitbox fighters allowing them to use bigger missles, plus fix wo3.... i dunno, i don't think the situation will be fixed anymore so arguing about it is kinda pointless.



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quadpers0n
Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:05 pm
#33


hey want to hear some good news though?



-meeuki


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Ducimus
Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:07 pm
#34

Darn and here i was hoping for some tasty gossip

EDIT:
So whats the good news? Don't tell me the Y-8 getting fixed.

Message Edited by Ducimus on 08-30-2005 04:08 PM



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quadpers0n
Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:09 pm
#35

i just saved a bundle on car insurance by switching to geico.



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Ducimus
Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:11 pm
#36

*shakes head*



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Rhu
Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:31 pm
#37






quadpers0n wrote:


maybe you up the mass values on bigger hitbox fighters allowing them to use bigger missles, plus fix wo3.... i dunno, i don't think the situation will be fixed anymore so arguing about it is kinda pointless.





A WO3fix would probably hurt the big fighters more than it helps. You aren't likely to see many b-wings out there, and you will likely see even less of them if they are forced to use double or triple the ammount of capacitor in order to compete.


Honestly, lately I've been thinking that a scaled damage reduction based on hitbox value would be the way to go.


Drop the damage reduction to 0% on the JSFand scale it up to35-40% (just an estimate, here, tweaks and testing would be in order) on the giant targets (b-wing, firespray). Each ship would have aunique damage reduction based on its volume and perhaps modified slightly by its mass and maneuverability (eg, the ixiyen might get a little added boost because it is huge, less maneuverable than the average medium fighter, and hasthe same mass as a heavy starter).The little nasty ships get to be flown more the way they should--One hit and you're toast, and the big guys get to be more durable. I have absolutely no idea how that would balance out, though if I had to guess, I'd say under that sort of system, the little guys would end up not using armor and start using mk3 shields and fitting the biggest guns and engines available, while the big guys could go in as all-out tanks. Big advantage to mitigate the big disadvantage.

SheenaBrelya
Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:16 pm
#38



A WO3 fix would probably hurt the big fighters more than it helps. You aren't likely to see many b-wings out there, and you will likely see even less of them if they are forced to use double or triple the ammount of capacitor in order to compete.



I'm not sure you understand exactly what fixing WO3 will do. There will be two main effects...

1) Post-fix weapons running WO3 will use nine times more power than pre-fix weapons. This will mean that many ships will not be able to use their little RE'd L1 and Mark 1 Reactors to power a well equipped fighter. Large ships will have an advantage in that they will have the mass to handle an upgrade to a significantly heavier reactor. Small ships loadouts will be scrapped and rebuilt with Power as a significant concern, unlike it is now. Many ships will be totally unable to have the L3 programs running, and don't even think about throwing in a couple L4 programs.

2) Post-fix weapons running WO3 will use nine times more capacitor energy per shot than pre-fix weapons. Capacitors will turn into a significant concern, especially for ships with multiple weapons, as weapons begin to drain Caps much, much faster than they had been before. Mass will have to be given over to a stronger Cap and Reactor Power given to a decent Cap Overload program, all while Mass is also being absorbed by large Reactors, too.

Indirect effects would include a surge in demand for RE'd gear, as that is the best way to get a high output/low drain component. Also, the mass absorbed by larger Reactors and Caps will not be coming from the small Boosters, DIs and such that people are using, but from Weapons, Engines, Armor and the other items that many people are currently building ship loadouts around.

Ship DPS output will be lowered while ship performance will be decreased. People will be unhappy, but it will be the best fix that could happen to the space system, in my opinion.

Shona

(I'd say that was a little off topic, but I'm not sure there is one any more )
Ducimus
Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:35 pm
#39

Personnaly i can't wait to see the dev complaints ignite with all the flashpoint itensity of powdered magnisum if/when WO3 is fixed. Imperial ships will most definatly be hit the hardest. Im also picturing, JSF usage going through the roof at about that time

Message Edited by Ducimus on 08-30-2005 07:36 PM



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