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Thread: I just Fought a guy in a JSF: My thoughts:
lesniak wrote:
I agree that heavy ties, sycks and z-95 are over powered for a novice or t1 ship. But on the rest your nuts. You want JSF at 40K mass? That's insane.
Just a little, 40k its a bit too much, but at most it should have 65k, as the Tie advanced and A-wing. And (very important) reduce its Y/P/R to be same if not a bit lower than the ones in the advanced and A-wing. I can see several ways to balance this fighter. You can
a) Lower the mass as written above.
b) Make Y/P/R far lower and take one gun out. The only ship that is balanced in RotW is the Royal Guard Interceptor. It has a reasonable Y/P/R and just one gun.
c) or a mix of everything.
Just for fun, my idea will finish near this:
Jedi Starfighter: 60K mass, 2 SP weapon, 1 ordnance, .95 speed, 300/300/150 P/Y/R
or...
Jedi Starfighter: 80K mass,1 SP weapon, 1 ordnance, .95 speed, 400/400/200 P/Y/R
That will be balanced, IMHO
Imperial piolts have been screwed-over since JTL came out. The have a fraction of the mass of rebel and neutral ships and fewer guns.
(Tier 4) TIE-Advanced: 65k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 150]
(Tier 4) A-Wing: 65k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 250 Yaw 250 Roll 125]
Its not only that we have one more gun in our pvp ship, but it has better Y/P/R stats. The A-wing is smaller, that's the balance between this ships, but i cant see how this is not balanced. I've been proud of my imperial ships until the day they added the ETA-2. I've never saw rebels ships overpowered.
The Y-wing? Sucks badly, the x-wing is very nice but also the oppresor. I'm and imperial pilot and i love the imperial ships.
The only thing survivable is the agressor [ 1 gun] or the bomber [2 gund but handles like a dog]. Now the JSF is a T$ elite ship and the first one that an Imp pilot can make on par with over 100K x-wings, A wings [that before were either impossible to take out unless you want to spend 15 minutes sniping it]. So get off your high horse. I don't hear you complaining about ARC or Grevious. Oh yeah. Not an Imp ship.
There is no way you can compare this:
(Tier 3) X-Wing: 100k mass [SP: 3 Guns] 1 missiles
[Spdx 0.95(Foils Closed) 0.90(Foils Open) Acc 25 Dec 30 Pitch 300 Yaw 200 Roll 150]
with this...
(Tier 4) Eta-2 Actis Interceptor (Jedi Starfighter): 90k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.95 Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 600 Yaw 600 Roll 300]
The only thing better in the x-wing is an extra gun. The size comparison its enough to see it, but look at the Y/P/R and you'll get even more evidence of the overpowered state of the JSF (and ALL RotW ships, cept the royal guard interceptor)
There's another reason that you loose. Probably the main one. Imperial piolot are by far the best. Not because we're better people than you, but because since JTL we have had to make do with impossible ships. You all talk about the Advanced, but the truth is the advanced can't use double guns because it can't mount a large enough reactor or capacitor to tqake advatage of them. The Interceptor flys like a dream, but again, not enough room for reasonable shield and armor, much less anythin else. The bomber is the only ship you can pile effective equip into [I used it primary ship before JSF] but its a dog. Agressor would be great if it had two guns instead of the usually useless turret.
What about the Oppresor? Did you forget it? If you want PvE i will take the Oppresor before the Bomber any day of the week. Oh and about your line of "Imperial pilots are by far the best"... i call it BS. I'm an imperial and i dont see that owning.
Unless you've had to master Imperial pilot, you have no place to talk. It is by far the hardest of the three factions and not by a small fraction. I have mastered an Imp, reb and Neutral line, and I'mtelling you. Imps have it bad.
I soloed the Storm Squadron. Its hard and fun, but thats not the point. JSF is a tier 4 ship. People are not using (or complaining about it) it for pve content such as missions and quest. Its a pvp ship. And everything was balance for pvp before this ships appear.
i still agree that heavy syck, tie and Z should be novice ships. That's just wrong. Don't nerf them, but put them up in t3 or something.
I would nerf EVERY ship with more than 65k mass and 600/600/300 Y/P/R. That's just insane.
BTW. A good Imp Pilot could be put in a lousy Dunelizard and you could take the JSF and you would probably still loose. Bad equipment hones good pilot skills since Imps can't fall back on cushy tech.
Ok, so what if a good pilot (like me) which is also a Shipwright (like me) decides to build a JSF as i did with my advanced (not even 200 mass free)? The only ship that will have something to do against me will be another RotW ship with similar equipment to mine, because at certain speed with that Y/P/R and the size of the ship... you are just asmallfly almost impossible to hit.
Message Edited by Joint_Maker on 05-31-2005 07:08 AM
as someone said before ...the ETA is anELITE ship, elite ships have good stats WHy do you think anakain and obi wan were flyingthese things? lol...anyways... I dont htink the jsf should be changed, ive seen tons of JSF go down and ive kille da fe win my skyck...what shoudl be changed is teh quest...the quest should be harder to get ( as said before). You shouldnt be able to do the quest unless you were atleast a tier 3 or tier 4 pilot ( meaning untill you got that far in pilot you couldnt get the quest). And the heavy variant ships are a little overpowering, Im surprised I fit the sh it in itt that I did...I switch from a krayt to a skyck for pvping...I do bette rin my skyck.
Blah blah blah.. yadda yadda yadda...
/ui action BeatDeadHorse
There's NUMEROUS threads on this. Go look at the stickied "New Ship Stats" thread at the top of the freakin forum. This whole arguement has been gone over a thousand times now. Dev's are too busy breaking everything else to be bothered with this. I personally rather see them go and fix things like...
- Guild/Groupchat lag
- Server lag period
- Ships doing the drunken bumblebee dance
- GCW, Jedi, BH, Rifleman, Melee Armourbreak, etc...
- All the brand new broken quests
- All the old broken quests
- Fix the CL issue's...
- the list goes on and on.. just like this same freakin arguement since PRE-LAUNCH of rotw.
Thank you, now please remove your cranium's from whatever orface you have them in. Go whine on the existing threads instead of starting another one. Search is your friend (when thats not broken) otherwise open your freakin eye's, scroll up, and see the other 30 freakin threads on this same dang subject!
CRY MORE NEWBS!
(Oh yeah.. and I have a JSF but don't fly it because it's not the "I Win" button you fools believe that it is, learn to fly and maybe you won't get your butt handed to you every time you go to DS! Oh, and if you got a problem with that, come to Ahazi and I'll prove to you that I can own anyone in any ship anytime! Punk a$$ newbs)