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Thread: Multi Passenger ships....Junk?!

Yoshiyuki
Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:28 pm
#14






BrynnQel-Droma wrote:


Given all that, POB's are still incredibly delicate for all their many disadvantages.







Yes, makes you wounder about Captial SHips too. It will be sad if myTie Fighter can take out a Player Captial ship in 1 alpha strike pass.


SheenaBrelya
Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:01 am
#15

Kur, I'll chat all day about the role of an armed transport versus the role of a gunboat, tactis of POB ships, and several other POB related topics, but before we get into a comparison of relative Armor/Shielding/Weapon strength of a fighter and a POB, I need to know you've been over the information here. The point is that many of us, including myself, have felt POB's have been underpowered since launch. Elite Components helped some, but the implementation failed in some cases and they simply didn't do enough. Publish 24 will be another change for POBs, so I'm going to restrict how much brain power I put toward a discussion of POB offensive and defensive capabilities until I've had a chance to go out in a new and improved post-24 POB.

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Kur
Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:13 am
#16

Sheena lol i can too. I went to read that thread...link into link into link. I got lost after a while lol. I think we are in agreement here as to the weakness of the ships. Lets see where Pub 24 puts us





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Emmgel
Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:32 am
#17

Related note - I agree POB ships need some love, but I can't also help thinking of the KSE and the Krayt - both of which, if you fly them next to a, say, a YT, seem to be the same size of ship only with a mass limit. The only real difference is that one person alone can fly it properly (discounting Krayt turret gunners for the fourth gun slot, which I imagine most people do in practice).


Shrink the KSE and the Krayt as well please - neutral pilots do rather get the shaft in that department imo.


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chervil
Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:02 am
#18

Sorry man, I am in a Space Guild, and currently half our members are Master Pilots.


We all own POBs, outfitted with whatever we could afford, and we regularly take even novice pilots hunting Gunboats in Kessel.


The fact is, they have more guns than you, with a faster recharge rate and higher damage.


They are not freighters or transports, they are GUNboats, they are built specifically for delivering high amounts of damage in a short sphere of influence.


You must approach them delicately and with a strategy. Everyone on the ship must be highly disciplined and only fire on command, and yes, a third party voice chat prog is a definite for good communication. TS is ok, but Ventrilo is our bad boy.


We have no probs taking these ships out, even in PvP.


You must note the great imbalance in PvP too, though. Something discussed alot on these threads. That it only takes a couple of hits to any type of player ship to destroy it. The fact that POBs should have better components than those on your X or B wing is being addressed in Pub. 24.


Like the man said, practice, practice, decay, practice, decay, buy new ship, keep practicing.


You'll either get it or you won't. Not every pilot is cut out for flying a POB in combat, just like not every driver can handle a Big Rig. Totally different mechanics and handling. Some pilots are better fighters and some are better in a POB.


And then there are those few of us who excel in both, but I digress because that guy isn't here right now......





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Kur
Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:23 am
#19


Chevril


lol we never said Gunboats were freighters...we were talking about the POBs


And i will add futher. I didn't say i didn't know how to fly the ship. What i am saying is for of ship of that size, it should be stronger.


Thanks



Message Edited by Kur on 08-31-2005 09:25 AM



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Shockied
Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:33 am
#20

Gunboats = anti fighter/"anti anything smaller in the foodchain"


But they are kinda borked seeing as you can sit 550m out and "wtfpwnem" without them touching you. Id rather have them fix that and see whos got real skill to takeout a gunboat by making strafing runs, missile runs etc.


admiraljz
Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:56 am
#21








chervil wrote:


Some pilots are better fighters and some are better in a POB.


And then there are those few of us who excel in both, but I digress because that guy isn't here right now......







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chervil
Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:47 pm
#22

:smileyvery-happyidn't mean to imply any of you said the Gunboats were freighters, but the fact is the POB ships are.


The YT1300 is a freighter ship, as is the Nova. Not sure about the Decimator, but the fact remains that you cannot expect a freighter to go straight up against a Gunship and "pwn" it, as it was so eloquently put.


That was one of the things that made the Falcon great, for a freighter, it was actually really decent in combat too.


Sorry for any confusion.



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themester
Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:01 pm
#23






Kur wrote:


I am not a N@@b guys. I know how to pilot. Full crew. infact...had 6 on board. Full droid commands, capacitor to shield shunt 4 was available in fact. Space Bombs, Missles Mark IVs, High Quality parts.



But my point is. In a ship like that. Shouldn't i pwn...a gunboat at least...and 3 gunboats be a chanllenge. I can pwn GBs in my B wing...come on...thats wrong...









ROFL you cant be serious...... The reason you cna kill GB's in your B-wing is that you manuver around the shots, and they sometimes miss you, the boost away when you get shredded. Next time you say a POB ship is worthless for a situation, use a fighter with the SAME stratagey and manuvers, as there is no chance in hell you can think "I r in a pOB shippe, I's gonna PWN joos" and make a straight straeing run safely. Also, try flying STRAIGHT AT the GB, as you were undoubtedly doing, in a B-Wing, you will last no longer than that Nova did .



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Kur
Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:03 pm
#24


Why did I kill a Decimator on my first pass PVP in DS with an X wing?



You don't think thats wrong?






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hobieone
Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:00 pm
#25

did attend the hoc dev chat did you? basically pub 24 the elite mp ship equipment will be fixed and will make the mp ships the most power ful ships in game. dev said they want to balance so it would take 2or 3 possibly more ship to take one out in pvp. it was hinted this to make them able to withstand and be used to attack the up comming cap[ital ships they'll be adding.



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SheenaBrelya
Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:26 pm
#26



Kur wrote:

Why did I kill a Decimator on my first pass PVP in DS with an X wing?

You don't think thats wrong?




Do you often PvP? If you don't, then maybe you don't know that you are making yourself sound a little silly. If you have, then you should know better than to think any ship can stand up to a single pass from any decently equiped other ship.

You are wrong in that you think your armed transport should be able to go toe to toe with a military gunship. You are wrong if you think that any ship will be a tank in PvP - this is FPS combat, not RPG combat.

The Pub 24 upgrades to Elite gear will greatly effect the situation, which is why I started out saying this is a silly discussion to have at all. The POB viability in PvE will be greatly changed, though I can not imagine any Elite Component upgrade that will make any current POB ship viable in PvP (in a general sense).

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