Pilot Archive
Thread: In regards to the recent EP3 and /launchmissle posts.
FeydmanKassan wrote:
CNevyn wrote:
This just needs to be locked.
I think a good ePulsing would be in the "spirit" of the thread....
*In favor of blowing this with Ep3* (I'd consider this only PvP use for it
)
"ya know, you guys are working your way up to jedi thread status"
Lock it? And ruin all my fun!? BAH!
CNevyn wrote:
This just needs to be locked.
Oh my, I think this is something both sides of this fight acctually agree on!
Just because something's in the game doesn't mean it belongs there. There are plenty of valid reasons for "wrong" items or abilities to be in the game--whether from a simple mistake, or not understanding how the subject would play out once it got in the jungle of a live server, or because the game's moved to a point where that item or ability is no longer appropriate.
So to say "It's in the game, thus it's legal" doesn't really mean anything more than it'd take some effort to get it altered or removed. It certainly doesn't stand as a moral defense on its own.
/launchmissle can and will be abused in space. It has to be removed. Relying on the entire player base to restrain from abusing it is impratical and impossible.
I believe a re-examination of all specials and droid commands is required.
As it is, all current bugs (commands and chassis) have skewed the viability/superiority profiles for all types of ships.
Some droid commands take to long to reset thus making them impractical to use.
Some droid command NEVER elapse which basically eliminates any tactical value to varing droid commands.
Droid commands take to much space thus making varied use of commands impratical.
Lets face it everyone runs RO4/3,EO4/3,WO3,CO4/3 upon loading into space and then forget about it.
K I'll go out on a limb here....
1. I Do not like /launchissile in PvP, its downright dirty & not an intended PvP tactic. Players who use it in PvP should be banned outright.
2. EP3 is a skill that is learnt & earned by Neutral pilots. Telling everyone that EP3 is an exploit or a cheat is just crap..."pure & simple"!!
Thats like saying a smuggler is a cheat for using Last ditch, or a Jedi for using cloak. If it is a legitimate skill that is earned through training & grinding through a profession, then a Pilot has every right to use it in PvP. Simple as that!!!!
Also, using EP3 has its dangers. 1It dose not always work.
2 If it dose fail to maim or kill during PvP, its all over for the Neutral pilot, he's left with no weps, no shields for some time.
K I'll go out on a limb here....
1. I Do not like /launchissile in PvP, its downright dirty & not an intended PvP tactic. Players who use it in PvP should be banned outright.
2. EP3 is a skill that is learnt & earned by Neutral pilots. Telling everyone that EP3 is an exploit or a cheat is just crap..."pure & simple"!!
Thats like saying a smuggler is a cheat for using Last ditch, or a Jedi for using cloak. If it is a legitimate skill that is earned through training & grinding through a profession, then a Pilot has every right to use it in PvP. Simple as that!!!!
Also, using EP3 has its dangers. 1It dose not always work.
2 If it dose fail to maim or kill during PvP, its all over for the Neutral pilot, he's left with no weps, no shields for some time.
I'd say that's more than a fair trade off for its use.
Just answer me this...., If all the wingers here won out & got EP3 removed, would they be willing to sacrifice one of their special skills to balance out the difference?
/mood sarcastic
I'm quie sure that Imps could get along without Bomberstrike & rebs could get along without Emergency Shields.
/mood none
So how about we have a tradeoff..?
We Neuts wil let them remove EP3, if yous guys agree to have one of your important space skills removed aswell...
conversely bomberstrike does not work in PVP. so make ep3 not work in PVP as well.... if you want to use that logic.
quadpers0n wrote:
conversely bomberstrike does not work in PVP. so make ep3 not work in PVP as well.... if you want to use that logic.
Make bomberstrike drain your capacitor and shields, and then I'd say go ahead and use it in PvP... If you want to use that logic.
TomoRainer wrote:
Just gonna toss this out there.
Just because something's in the game doesn't mean it belongs there. There are plenty of valid reasons for "wrong" items or abilities to be in the game--whether from a simple mistake, or not understanding how the subject would play out once it got in the jungle of a live server, or because the game's moved to a point where that item or ability is no longer appropriate.
So to say "It's in the game, thus it's legal" doesn't really mean anything more than it'd take some effort to get it altered or removed. It certainly doesn't stand as a moral defense on its own.
I don't think a moral defense is required; this is not a moral issue. It's a technical issue involving the overall balancing of the game and should be viewed as such. The moral issue angle is simply an attempt to ge t people to behave the way you (collectively) watn them to behave. You don't offer anything to compensate Freelancersfor the loss of the ability; the reason being that none of you really cares about "balance" so much as getting rid of a feature that you don't like. I'm not saying that you don't have valid arguments; I'm just trying to point out that epulse is hardly the only issue when it comes to balance. But I don't see anyone taking up the banner for the Freelancers and saying that maybe something needs to be done to level the playing field with regards to their ships. Is that because any changes would hit a little too close to home? I don't know; but after reading this thread, I have begun to wonder. I bet if I tried to make a moral argument that Freelancers having to PvP against tiny A-wings and TIEs is cheap or unfair, that I would be flayed alive on this board. Trying to make some kind of ethical argument out of this is just good old fashioned schoolyard peer pressure at work. The cool kids don't like it and if you want to hang with them you have to play by their rules.
If the community is truly interested in improving the balance of the game, then everything has to be put on the table and looked at. Only a comprehensive review of theentire space environment along with concrete suggestions as to what needs to be fixed or removed will get the attention of those who have the means to actually do anything about it. Personally,I wantto see a wider variety of ship in space. I want them all to be at least viable in PvP, including POBs and heavy fighters. If giving up something is necessary to accomplish that, then I'm more than willing. But letting a relative minority of vets pick and choose what abilities I can use? No.
I took the time to write all of this because I DO think that the pilot community is a cut above some of the other profs in this game; and because I love the space game so much. I respect the time and energy Tomo and others have put into JTL. I just think that in this case, many are blinded by their own perspective and are unable to take a step back and see the big picture. This isn't just about epulse; it's about how all of this stuff fits together.