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Thread: Capital Ships Ideas on the ships themselves (updated 7/12/05)
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GileHarleen
Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:22 pm
#1
Nebulon-B's I say, Nebulon-B's! They're perfect for player capital ships! 
KaylBreinhar
Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:34 pm
#2
I think Cap Ships, if they are added, should be something special, and those who mastered Pilot just for the badge, title, and POB ship would need to take a far more serious commitment to the profession to deserve something like a Cap Ship.
Needless to say, I think people are overhyping what we'll probably GET vs. what people THINK we're getting, but quite frankly I don't want people, some wholly undeserving of their title, flying around in what will eventually be considered as the penultimate piloting achievement.
Each side should get a specific cap ship, it should cost 500 million Prestige, and the deed should be untradable. That oughtta test the resolves of the "doitformes."
Needless to say, I think people are overhyping what we'll probably GET vs. what people THINK we're getting, but quite frankly I don't want people, some wholly undeserving of their title, flying around in what will eventually be considered as the penultimate piloting achievement.
Each side should get a specific cap ship, it should cost 500 million Prestige, and the deed should be untradable. That oughtta test the resolves of the "doitformes."
KaylBreinhar
Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:38 pm
#3
But who am I kidding - make it 500 million, and it'll get whined down to 5 million.
Besides, that seems to be the mantra these days - "Embrace Uniformity."
Besides, that seems to be the mantra these days - "Embrace Uniformity."
LeaphChausew
Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:41 pm
#4
Another use for prestige points certainly has to be worked into the game.
Also I think the Nebulon B class frigate would be awesome.
Washell
Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:23 pm
#5
KaylBreinhar wrote:
Needless to say, I think people are overhyping what we'll probably GET vs. what people THINK we're getting, but quite frankly I don't want people, some wholly undeserving of their title, flying around in what will eventually be considered as the penultimate piloting achievement.
SOE showed 1 short movie with ISD and vette. I'm dreading the board after it goes live with all the whines about how they can't own ISDwhile they were in this movie. You'd think the games industry has promised castles in the sky often enough by now that more people would be cynical. And SOE hasn't promised anything substantial yet.
I expect the ability to take a mission on board an ISD/'vette to capture another cap ship and hyper it out the system. Nothing more. That was all that was in the movie and will probably be scrapped because they can't get it to work without bugs. Oh yeah, sorry. It will be shipped anyway. 
Arturun
Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:17 am
#6
While I think giving ideas for the mechanics in the Focus thread is important, we should also gather our ideas on the types of ships to use. That way, when it does happen, we don't find ourselves saying, "I wish this was in SWG..."
I think we should use this thread to form ideas and generate a running list of the most popular (and unpopular) capital ship. That said, I personally believe that anything bigger than something approx. the size of a Correllian Corvette would be too much. I don't see us getting ISDs to play with, let's just try to be realistic. I've found http://www.swg-idealab.com/ships.shtmlvery helpful in determining sizes and getting ideas for ships. I've also seen a book once (I'll have to go look for it at the store again) that listed many ships only talked about in the books (V-Wing, Skipray Blastboat, Suncrusher, etc) with pictures, and descriptions of who made them, and numerous other helpful details.
I also believe all of these ships should require a special Capital Ship Pilot proffession that would require Master/Ace Pilot. (see page 13 of the focus thread for my other ideas on the mechanics of getting/limiting ships)
Now, for my ideas for ships:
-
Imperial: -
Imperial Gunship-------------------------------------(Novice/Tier 1?) -Arturun -
System Patrol Craft----------------------------------(Tier 2/3) -Arturun & bickillon -
Lancer Frigate-----------------------------------------(Tier 3)-Raptor2k1, BannedinFrance & bickillon -
Correllian Corvette-----------------------------------(Tier 4/Master) -Arturun & others -
Nebulon-B Frigate------------------------------------(Master) -GileHarleen, Raptor2k1 & others - Carrack Class Cruiser--------------------------------(Master) -Arturun & others
-
ImperialStar Frigate (PocketDestroyer)---------(Master) -Arturun & others -
Rebel: -
Rebel Gunship-----------------------------------------(Novice/Tier 1?) -Arturun -
Correllian Gunship------------------------------------(Tier 3 or so?)-Arturun -
Correllian Corvette-----------------------------------(Tier 4/Master) -Arturun & others -
Nebulon-B Frigate------------------------------------(Master) -GileHarleen, Raptor2k1 & others -
Privateer: -
Gozanti Freighter-------------------------------------(Novice)-Arturun -
Mobquet Medium Transport------------------------(Novice)-bickillon -
Correllian Action IV Frieghter-----------------------(Tier 2) -Arturun - Correllian Corvette-----------------------------------(Tier 4/Master) -Arturun & others
- Nebulon-B Frigate------------------------------------(Master) -GileHarleen, Raptor2k1 & others
-
Modified Carrack Class Cruiser---------------------(Master) -Arturun, bickillon& others -
Bulk Cruiser--------------------------------------------(Master?)-Raptor2k1 -
Veteran/Quest: -
Type H Nubian Yacht---------------------------------(540 days) -bickillon -
Correllian Consular-Class Republic Cruiser------(540/720 days) -Arturun -
AA-9 Starliner------------------------------------------(360 days) -Arturun -
Other: -
Republic Troop Carrier (Imperial) - For use as a boarding craft; Master Pilot/Novice Ship Captain, maybe? -bickillon & Arturun -
A Modified Nova Courier (Rebel) - For use as a boarding craft?; Master Pilot/Novice Ship Captian -Arturun (with bickillon for idea)
Key:
Blue - Imperial
Red - Rebel
Yellow - Privateer
Purple - Veteran /Quest reward -similar to SoroSuub 3000 Yacht already in the game
Green - Person who added the ship
Orange - Proposed Requirement
White - Name of Ship
NOTE: on the -... & others, these are ones that I have seen mentioned elsewhere since the Focus thread was started, some of them have many names to go with them. If I find only a couple other names they will be also listed here, provided there is room, but for things like the Correllian Corvette, this has been said so many times, it's in nearly everyone's head.
Now comes your job: we need more ideas, and I'm not sure of the combat power of these, this was mostly by size and what little I know of some of them. So requirement ideas are wonderful, as would be more ideas for ships. As you can see, there are some gaps to fill in the tiers.
I will be updating this as I see more ideas, so let's get those creative cogs turning!
-Arturun
Message Edited by Arturun on 07-11-2005 04:23 AM
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Message Edited by Arturun on 07-12-2005 01:24 PM
Treena_Daal
Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:27 am
#7
Lambdas aren't capital ships. Besides, we're already getting those.
JoKen_Jash
Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:34 am
#8
What the-- The lambda, all of the gunships, and the skipray are all way too short to be considered capital class. Anything that is 100m or up is capital class. I believe there's a few others that are too short on there too.
As far as ships, the devs seem to like coming up with their own designs, so give the Rebels a mini mon cal cruiser and the Imps a mini star destroyer. Make em both cert at master of this new profession and you have the problem of iconic ships being too large solved.
Arturun
Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:07 am
#9
KaylBreinhar wrote:
Besides, that seems to be the mantra these days - "Embrace Uniformity."
Finally! You're starting to understand the Imperial Mentality! Silly Rebels and Privateers with their individualism! 
jk
jkUpdated ship listing, but as you can see, it still needs a little help. As to the lambda and skipray...don't ask, I was rushing a little too much to finish this, and didn't think some of them through. :/
What do you guys think about the Imperial and Rebel Gunboats? Should they stay or go from the list?
I also need ideas for refining the certification tier required, and more ships (especially privateer...) would be greatly appreciated.
As to the comment that we probably won't get what we ask for, I'd almost bet money that you're right, but then, "Tis better to try and fail, than never to have tried at all", eh?
-Arturun
Message Edited by Arturun on 07-11-2005 04:27 AM
wraitheight
Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:46 am
#10
ok why not just give master pilots full scale ships only have them go on quests to get a crew for their ship a ground based and ship based serries. and have the pilot get the ship but have it be little more then an unarmed barge which means more quests to get the weapons for it .
the ship would be stuck in place untell their done with their quests
GileHarleen
Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:57 am
#11
I pray that you're wrong Washell but, I fear that you're right. 
Cdapolito
Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:25 am
#13
from starwars.com/databank:
"Developed by Sienar Fleet Systems, the GAT blastboat series was the Empire's preferred gunship for demanding point missions and patrol assignments. The 25-meter long craft boasted such impressive firepower and shield output that some armament registries listed the vessel as capital-class -- a designation usually reserved for vessels four times the size or larger. In addition to patrol duty, blastboats are dispatched for planetary defense and interdiction missions."
So... no, the Skipray COULD be considered in the running.If it is, then why not the Gunboats and Gunships?
I think most people are thinking on too grand a scale (SSD and Moncal Star Cruiser). We should be concentrating on the Corvette and Frigate sizes and leave the Destroyers, Cruisers, andthe other larger onesin the realm of impossibility because of sector sizes.
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