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Thread: Imp pilots on Starsider: what's the story?

Ducimus
Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:36 am
#1

Long story short, Imperial participation on SS has been abysmally low as of late.

I'm wondering why that is, and what can be done to fix that.

I've heard all sorts of reasons, (ranging from members effected by huricanes to poor organization, to personality conflicts), but id rather hear it from the horses mouth so to speak. If the reasons are something you dont want aired in a public forum thats fine - Private Messages work too. I just want to know. I am REALLY curious as to whats going on over in the Imperial side of the house.

Message Edited by Ducimus on 09-12-2005 10:37 AM



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PaceNebulon
Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:42 am
#2

I'm on the Imp side I would like to know this too... over the course of about 3 weeks we went from 20+ to 7.



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Phizuol
Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:44 am
#3

Hrm, maybe I made a mistake. I decided to try a char on Starsider and made a rebel pilot. =/

EDIT: Should have mentioned this was last night.

Message Edited by Phizuol on 09-12-2005 10:45 AM




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Jawa-Sith-Lord
Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:51 am
#4

We had 10 people for the last event. I would have to look at my notes, but I think the one from 4-5 weeks ago we had well over 15. I started tracking the guilds participating and such as soon as I got on the server to see which ones to research more to join.

I'd really like to know what's up with the imp pilot population as well. I can guess on some things, but they are guesses. Some better than others. I also think that part of the differences now are that we really haven't been adding as many on the transfers/alts as the reb side. I think I may be the only transfer we had on Saturday and 1-2 people were alts.





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DarthGorilla
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:24 am
#5

I'm not going to add to this myself as I'm not Imperial but I have been speaking with Imperials and Alliance leaders about it over the last few days.

However. If you are thinking about transfering to Starsider or even just creating an alt to fly there for PvP I urge you to create an Imperial pilot. I'll do what I can to help you get started as well.



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CastorHoS
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:29 am
#6



Well from being an Imp from day 1 on Starsider let me give you a quick overview of why the Imp population and turnout for things are so low in space.



1. Lack of interest.


2. Way to many "l33t" and "uber" kiddies like to ruin things from the rebel side.


3. Part of the Imp problem results from number 2 only the problem being the "l33t" and "uber" kiddies on the Imp side throw a fit and dont want anything to do with pvp unless they've got overwhelming odds in thier favor.


Now these dont pertain to everyone in each faction but theyve been the same problems there always have been on Starsider. Only difference is its now space instead of ground pvp. My last trip into Deep Space consisted of zoning and being dead from 5 ships I never got to see sitting and waiting for imp ships to fly in. Makes even going to Deep Space useless.


These are all reasons why most of the imp pilots I know have either decided to just keep grinding the various pilot factions or load up PoB ships and have fun in pve with guildmates or friends and let the rebels see how much fundeep space is when theres only npc's to fight.

Message Edited by CastorHoS on 09-12-2005 11:31 AM



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DarthGorilla
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:47 am
#7



CastorHoS wrote:

Well from being an Imp from day 1 on Starsider let me give you a quick overview of why the Imp population and turnout for things are so low in space.

1. Lack of interest.

2. Way to many "l33t" and "uber" kiddies like to ruin things from the rebel side.

3. Part of the Imp problem results from number 2 only the problem being the "l33t" and "uber" kiddies on the Imp side throw a fit and dont want anything to do with pvp unless they've got overwhelming odds in thier favor.

Now these dont pertain to everyone in each faction but theyve been the same problems there always have been on Starsider. Only difference is its now space instead of ground pvp. My last trip into Deep Space consisted of zoning and being dead from 5 ships I never got to see sitting and waiting for imp ships to fly in. Makes even going to Deep Space useless.

These are all reasons why most of the imp pilots I know have either decided to just keep grinding the various pilot factions or load up PoB ships and have fun in pve with guildmates or friends and let the rebels see how much fun deep space is when theres only npc's to fight.

Message Edited by CastorHoS on 09-12-2005 11:31 AM





Actually we usually go in and fight each other. We've been doing this a lot lately. Although we almost always do it near the rebel station. I don't know who ganked you but I always try to make sure my targets are moving when they are near the ISD before I even get in range.

Taking things less personally might help your situation.



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PaceNebulon
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:52 am
#8






DarthGorilla wrote:


Taking things less personally might help your situation.





QFE... that goes for the Imps that show up too



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"Your generic TIE grunt is just plain suicidal. And the TIE Defender jockey is bloodthirsty. But the TIE Interceptor pilot, he's suicidal and bloodthirsty. When you see a squad of those maniacs flying your way, you'd better hope your hyperdrive is operational." - Kyle Katarn

Halyn
Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:07 pm
#9

Up until the point that I was suddenly thrust into a command position on the Alliance side, I had always planned on making an Imperial alt and flying to help boost their side. But, as I think I told Rapax before, the relative strength of the Imperial and Rebel armadas seem to wax and wane opposite each other.


When I first started the Arms Race arc, the sides were fairly evenly matched--see the battle at the Trade Federation Wreckage, where it came down to one or two survivors of each fight until the last engagement, when we changed tactics and had a better battle plan for the last skirmish. Then the Imperials waxed strong while the Rebels waned a bit, and we got our collective asses kicked at Dathomir and lost the Blue Harvest. Lately the Imperials have waned while the Rebels waxed again, leading to victories like the last battle of the Arms Race and the gross mismatch last Saturday.


When I talk to Naithan and Ramona, I haven't been hearing many complaints lately--and whenever I'm running an event, I try to ask the opposing commander what the mood of his or her pilots is after the event, as well as taking a survey of my own pilots. I know that the biggest reoccuring issue is the engine targeting, and once in a while I'll catch a pilot doing such and correct them. (Reactor targeting is allowed.)


All in all, though, I think the key to maintaining a balanced force is for the commanders and the "legends" on each side to keep a cool head about things. Whether it's consciously or not, the coordinators really set the tone for their entire group's attitude. That's not to say they control it entirely, or even that a hothead can't inflame an entire side--believe me, it's happened on both sidesmore often than I care to admit--but it's important not to ever underestimate the leadership's ability to influence their pilots.


On that note, I really want to know where Tomo and Haro are lately--they're some of the Imp "legends" and their presence usually seems to encourage more of their pilots to fly. It was good to see Naithan back in the cockpit last weekend, too, and I expect the Imperials to pick up again shortly. I have heard and I suspect it's true that the Imperials have taken a harder hit numbers-wise because of the hurricane--after all, I haven't even seen some of their pilots online since the storm, and I have the Imps I talk to and am positive terms with on my friends list. (Well, except during events, now that /findfriend is fixed--I keep a list of names I remove just prior to the events so they can be re-added afterwards.)




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Ducimus
Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:14 pm
#10

>>But, as I think I told Rapax before, the relative strength of the Imperial and Rebel armadas seem to wax and wane opposite each other.

You did. I just have this wierd streak that wants to further explore why - and no, 42 is not an accepted answer in this subject



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Rensaal
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:02 pm
#11


I just created a toon on Starsider to play with my wife, and will be an Imp pilot. I'm just waiting for a day where I can find the time to grind to master (way too busy right now) and then source the parts to make a decent ship. Hope to see you all in space soon!


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Jawa-Sith-Lord
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:08 pm
#12


Halyn wrote:
(Well, except during events, now that /findfriend is fixed--I keep a list of names I remove just prior to the events so they can be re-added afterwards.)





This discussion actually came up on Saturday. Someone mentioned that a reb pilot was on their friends list and was probably avail through /findfriend. It was quickly and strongly stated that such was not to be used in events. In fact, I think that is the only time I have seen Resha go OOC and not somehow mark it as OOC. It's still a good idea to remove folks. But, most folks are making an effort to have fun with the events.

Looking at my notes, Saturday, we had 10 Imp pilots and crew (8 ships). The week before was 10 again (8 ships). Two weeks before that was 15+ (I missed my second week on starsider. I also think Tomo came in late for this one.). Those are not always the same folks. Numbers are never really high. But moral usually is. There is a little griping about being out numbered and such, but it never really gets too strong. And, it's human nature to gripe about stuff before a conflict. Those who get shot down early, often end up becoming pests trying to find out if they should return immediately or wait for a regroup. The only time I saw someone leave after a shootdown they had some high end parts and needed to get a low end repair kit to do just enough to get them to DS.

As far as helping each other out, I have been incredibly impressed with the Starsider Imps. But, I also think the Rebs are the same way amongst themselves. Even, sometimes across factional differences for both. I can not say again how much I enjoy Starsider and the Pilot community I have encountered in it. I am just now getting back into the ground some and will hold judgement on that side.

Even if someone has an Imp alt that is low level, you can join. I was powerleveled the morning of my first large scale PvP to 1211 and had to ask how to declare I was so green. Even though I got blasted several times (mostly to put me out of my misery I think), I enjoyed it immensely and have not turned back. Many of these battles give you what you bring into them. If you expect fun, you will more than likely find it. If you expect the other side to exploit/grief/zerg you, that's what you will find.





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Warden1982
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:13 pm
#13

Well, to Starsider my Alt goes then!
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