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Thread: Apparently I'm an exploiter...

JoKen_Jash
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:21 pm
#1

Ok, an hour and a half ago, I was flying in my Actis with my group in the weekly starsider space pvp event. So we go in, find the imps, and engage. My group gets completely killed off to where I'm the only one alive, and shortly afterwards I get missiled into submission. So I go to deep space, repair off my damage, and regroup, and we head back in. Shortly afterwards, we find and engage the enemy imperial group (which outnumbered us around 4 to 1, they had somewhere around 20, we had 6). Most of my group dies off to the point where me and one other person are still alive while the imperial group is still strong.


After a few minutes of flying like this, I get a tell saying, "Exactly how are you cheating like that?" I shrug it off, thinking simply that this guy was new (which he was, at least new to the events) and hadn't seen much of veterans flying. That, and I really didn't want to stop maneuvering to send an intellegible reply. So I fly like this for a few more minutes, and then the imp fighters begin to disengage and fly towards my other remaining group member. My happens to actually retreat and fly the opposite direction,and I chase him for several more minutes, and then he hypers out.


Then I get a tell saying the imps are withdrawing.After several exchanges of tells I findthey believed I was using an exploited speed racer x engine, as I was, quote, "unhittable." I checked my speed bar and I couldn't go faster than1193, my normal overloaded top speed.And, I was in fact hit several times. I simply was able to shunt it away before I was hit again. Sadly, this is not the first time I've survived for over 5 minutes with several imp fighters shooting at me constantly. And there's also the fact that my groupmate survived just as long as I did, at least until they decided to break off. I even told the guy who originally accused me ofcheating to have a CSR check my stuff, and he said he would. I tried to convince him and the imp coordinator that I did not use a bugged engine, but apparently they can't believe that someone can just be good enough to pull something like that off.


So now I'm being branded as an exploiter and told to take steps to make myself easier to kill from what I can gather. Is it that people just can't handle someone who can best them?


It's too bad Tomo wasn't there, he's seen me flying like this before and acknowleges it isn't an exploit. Heck, he's outflown me before.


And now I'm waiting for their CSR to show to prove my innocence.



JoKen Jash
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JediNg
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:28 pm
#2

Whoa. I can't hit you man. You must be exploiting



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JoKen_Jash
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:33 pm
#3






JediNg wrote:
Whoa. I can't hit you man. You must be exploiting





Exactly the point. The attitude is almost the same as the majority of the jedi profession's attitude.



JoKen Jash
Commando to the end!

SWG in a nutshell:
JoKen Jash flips a coin.
RandomJedi: OMG!!!! IT'S AN I WIN BUTTON!!!! NERF IT!!!!!!


"It's the End of the World as we Know it, and I feel fine..."
Ducimus
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:47 pm
#4

Since you say there was a lack of vets there, i want to chaulk that up to ignorance on the part of the opposition. Theres always many factors at work in space, least of which is hit detecton, and net lag. I still hold to the unsubsantiated theory that the speeds at which we travel these days, can play hell with the netcode.

Nevermind that the Actis is small and hard to hit either A total rookie in one, can take a few mins to hit by virtue of its small frame.


EDIT:
>> I was using an exploited speed racer x engine, as I was, quote, "unhittable.

It could be there is a new exploit that some of them know about that the rest of us don't either. Im fairly certain that many exploits discovered, probably orginate from starsider or at least, spread by way of alternate characters from information gleaned elsewhere.

Message Edited by Ducimus on 07-23-2005 06:48 PM



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JediNg
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:52 pm
#5

What about the weapon overload 3 exploit?



Ritha Egasiso - 12 experiment point Master Weaponsmith.
To BB, Jo-Jo, Reilly, Beano, Dipper, Flat Top, Chuckles, Jolly, Crashdown, Sheppard, Dash, Flyboy, Stepchild, Puppet, Fireball...
You said that humanity never asked itself why it deserved to survive. Maybe you don't?
Stand by, FTL.
On the day before pub 10, jdmaldo said: "for everyone who grinded the last months of their lives away and didn't get jedi: owned"
Ducimus
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:57 pm
#6



JediNg wrote:
What about the weapon overload 3 exploit?





I am a sploiter!



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Time wasted playing MMO's:
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"I'm really bored."
...has mastered the Pilot profession
JoKen_Jash
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:58 pm
#7






Ducimus wrote:
Since you say there was a lack of vets there, i want to chaulk that up to ignorance on the part of the opposition. Theres always many factors at work in space, least of which is hit detecton, and net lag. I still hold to the unsubsantiated theory that the speeds at which we travel these days, can play hell with the netcode.

Nevermind that the Actis is small and hard to hit either A total rookie in one, can take a few mins to hit by virtue of its small frame.


EDIT:
>> I was using an exploited speed racer x engine, as I was, quote, "unhittable.

It could be there is a new exploit that some of them know about that the rest of us don't either. Im fairly certain that many exploits discovered, probably orginate from starsider or at least, spread by way of alternate characters from information gleaned elsewhere.

Message Edited by Ducimus on 07-23-2005 06:48 PM




There were actually a few vets there. One was the imp coordinator who also accused me of exploiting.


My maneuverability was normal, I've flown with this engine for more than a month, it felt completely natural.


And at JediNg, you mean how WO3 decreases the reactor drains on the weapons? Cause that's not really considered an exploit on starsider and is widely used.



JoKen Jash
Commando to the end!

SWG in a nutshell:
JoKen Jash flips a coin.
RandomJedi: OMG!!!! IT'S AN I WIN BUTTON!!!! NERF IT!!!!!!


"It's the End of the World as we Know it, and I feel fine..."
JediNg
Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:09 pm
#8






Ducimus wrote:





JediNg wrote:
What about the weapon overload 3 exploit?







I am a sploiter!






Just because everyone uses it, does not mean it is not an exploit. lol.


Message Edited by JediNg on 07-23-2005 07:09 PM



Ritha Egasiso - 12 experiment point Master Weaponsmith.
To BB, Jo-Jo, Reilly, Beano, Dipper, Flat Top, Chuckles, Jolly, Crashdown, Sheppard, Dash, Flyboy, Stepchild, Puppet, Fireball...
You said that humanity never asked itself why it deserved to survive. Maybe you don't?
Stand by, FTL.
On the day before pub 10, jdmaldo said: "for everyone who grinded the last months of their lives away and didn't get jedi: owned"
imppilot421
Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:14 pm
#9






JediNg wrote:






Ducimus wrote:





JediNg wrote:
What about the weapon overload 3 exploit?







I am a sploiter!






Just because everyone uses it, does not mean it is not an exploit. lol.



Message Edited by JediNg on 07-23-2005 07:09 PM




I would refer to it as a bug more than an exploit... Generally with an exploit you need to do something special to get it to work. With weapon overload 3 you kind of just hit the button like with any other droid program but it doesn't work as intended.
JediNg
Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:19 pm
#10

yarr


but by definition, an exploit is the use of a bug to gain an advantage





Ritha Egasiso - 12 experiment point Master Weaponsmith.
To BB, Jo-Jo, Reilly, Beano, Dipper, Flat Top, Chuckles, Jolly, Crashdown, Sheppard, Dash, Flyboy, Stepchild, Puppet, Fireball...
You said that humanity never asked itself why it deserved to survive. Maybe you don't?
Stand by, FTL.
On the day before pub 10, jdmaldo said: "for everyone who grinded the last months of their lives away and didn't get jedi: owned"
Sarren
Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:29 pm
#11

Alright, I'll bite. I couldn't find my PVP Engine in time for the debriefing, so I had to fall back on a crafted Mk5 engine (running EO4, top speed of 1614, no booster). If you were, indeed, travelling at your top speed of 1193(WHILE maneuvering at the impressive rate you were), I should have been able to matchspeed on you, correct? Inconsistent with my experience during most of the battle. One moment, you'rereported as directly in front of me. The next, you're reported as 700m behind me. Later on, you appeared to slow to more "normal" speeds where I was able to matchspeed.


Then I remember this post, and start to wonder. Either way, we had at least two people with higher speeds than your posted speed who could not matchspeed with you while you were doing seemingly impossible maneuvers. Multiple people stated that you, and only you, had shown similar maneuverability in previous events.


Network glitch? Very possible. Exploiting a bug? Who knows? Though your posting history does indicate you have a somewhat intimate knowledge of exploitable bugs. Either way, your engine stats (I believe Resha said you claimed it was a RE'd Starmap Engine, 80 PYR?) are very similar to my PVP engine, and people have never seenanywhere near themaneuverability out of me. But I'll reserve my judgement, since I don't want to inflame this thread with meaningless finger pointing and conjecture.




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Ezekeal
Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:30 pm
#12

as one of the imperial pilots who ordered the stand down of the imperial forces:

Yes, I was there when Gwreng flew using the speed racer engine. yes I have flown against you before.

however, I have only on one previous occasion encountered any craft displaying the erratic jumping that you did tonight. yes, that would be the speed racer X.

I will not fly against you, ever again.



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JediNg
Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:37 pm
#13

Jumpy behavior comes from lag. HOLY SH!T its a fricken Jihad!


If I cannot beat them, I'll accuse them of exploiting!





Ritha Egasiso - 12 experiment point Master Weaponsmith.
To BB, Jo-Jo, Reilly, Beano, Dipper, Flat Top, Chuckles, Jolly, Crashdown, Sheppard, Dash, Flyboy, Stepchild, Puppet, Fireball...
You said that humanity never asked itself why it deserved to survive. Maybe you don't?
Stand by, FTL.
On the day before pub 10, jdmaldo said: "for everyone who grinded the last months of their lives away and didn't get jedi: owned"
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