CUEmu - Thread Posts

Immoral

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:33 pm

I am referring to the fact that every time Gunman21 (or anybody else for that matter) brings up the fact that all other melee professions get a x4 multiplier to their best attack, you point out that he(they) should be careful what they ask for, or in other words, they need to also look at the fact that the delay is only x2.5. Okay then, let's look at it. Shall we? Let's use an average (unsliced) LVA 4.4s 106-376

First we'll look at how it is currently: Hit3 x3 damage with x2.5 delay

Average DPS of the above weapon:

106+376 = 483/2 = 242 x1.85(profession) = 448 average

At x3 damage mod that is 1344. Ok so far, now let's calculate the speed mod

Weapon Speed 4.4 -75%(master speed mod) = 1.1s x2.5s delay = 2.75s

So now let's apply this to a fight lasting 2 minutes

120s / 2.75s = 43 attacks x1344 = 57,792 average damage done in 2 minutes

Now let's look at the same scenario with a x4 damage mod and a x3 delay mod (same as Swordsman)

448 x4 = 1792

1.1s x3s = 3.3s

120 / 3.3 = 36 attacks x1792 = 64,512 damage done in 2 minutes (using same weapon)

As you can see Pikemen would be doing an overall 11.6% more damage-and at a slower speed too. That would calculate out to a lower H/A/M drain over time. Because instead of swinging that big stick 43 times you only had to swing it 36 times! Whoda thunkit?!

Seriously though, my point here is that Pikemen would benefit from having a x4 damage multiplier, even if their delay mod was changed to x3 like Swordsman. So to StGabriel who warns that asking to have the damage mod changed would likely mean having the delay mod changed as well, I say fine let them changeboth. It would still be a marked improvement on the current situation.

I'm not young enough to know everything...

AgekVahoba

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:38 pm

#2

/agree

one of the biggest problems for pikemen until they get their stats right is the heavy mind cost on specials. Reducing the amount of times that is needed to use these specials will greatly improve the pikeman profession.

_____________________________
Head Altar Boy in charge of Burnination
We got Tiggs's 1337 and teh "In Testers" didn't!

ArkMindSpear

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:42 pm

#3

/disagree

pikeman isn't supposed to out damage swordsman.

Damage is ALL swordsman have. they need to literally outclass everyone in that feild. If we do more damage or close the gap so that the damage that they do, more than us, would make their proffesion ununique too. And we know better than anyone, that we shouldn't wish that on anybody.

Pikeman's job shouldn't be damage. We should be well off in it... But not the first thing you think of when you think pikeman.

If you want damage, THEN be a swordsman....speed., be a fencer, area attacks pikeman...everything all roled into one TKA.

My vision for TKAs....
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=68040

antares_Kauri

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:45 pm

#4

ArkMindSpear wrote:

If you want damage, THEN be a swordsman....speed., be a fencer, area attacks swordsman...everything all roled into one TKA.

Fixed it for you.

antares
master pikeman

|Pikeman non-stop since July, 2003|
|combatUpgrade::alpha :: JTL::beta :: RotW::beta :: ToOW::beta|
SOE Producer Dallas Dickinson says:
"I mean, what is a pikeman and why is it something in the game?"

ArkMindSpear

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:46 pm

#5

thanks man...i must've.....oh crap...

My vision for TKAs....
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=68040

Dunklemaus

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:52 pm

#6

I support it, because right now we dont stand out in anything, and I dont think Pikemans role is to be mediocre at most things and bad at the rest.

But, just wait, the Combat Pass will fix us! No, really! Why is everyone laughing?

A Maus

Self Appointed Game Warden of Dathomir

and Spokesman for Alpacas everywhere

v

asgoia

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:55 pm

#7

interesting , Ty.

Icon Da'goon

Immoral

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:58 pm

#8

Ahh, but Swordsman will still out-damage Pikemen due to their superior damage weapons. There really is no disputing the damage a Swordsman can do. If you have ever been one, even a novice, you know what I mean.

I'm not young enough to know everything...

AgekVahoba

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:05 pm

#9

I have a friend that isnt even novice swordsman yet, he and I decided to find out who could drop a mottled wrix the fastest. I found a spawn with two, he killed his before i got 2 hits it. And they say when you master a profesion you will be god....

_____________________________
Head Altar Boy in charge of Burnination
We got Tiggs's 1337 and teh "In Testers" didn't!

PadreBook

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:07 pm

#10

Amen with some hard numbers!

Padre

StGabriel

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:32 pm

#11

Now let's look at the same scenario with a x4 damage mod and a x3 delay mod (same as Swordsman)

The delay mod on Swordsmen Hit 3 is 3.25.

I've already given an analysis of this in the other thread. If you think I've made a mistake please feel free to quote where I am in error.

StGabe.

--- The Clan McDonnell ---

Gaffyn McDonnell -- Master of Blades (master fencer/swordsman/brawler)
Flynn McDonnell -- Master Weapon Smith (+22 exp), Armorsmith (+25 exp)
Lorrinne McDonnell -- Nightsister (pike/doc)

asgoia

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:41 pm

#12

round it up, its 5 or higher. didn't you learn that in elementry school?

Icon Da'goon

Immoral

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:44 pm

#13

Has this changed recently? Because I did some pretty extensive testing of Swordsman damage/delay mods of my own about a month ago and I can assure you it was a x3 delay mod. Just as it is currently stated on so many websites.

Where do you get yourx3.25 delay modfrom? Personal testing or some sort of inside developer information?

BTW - I have been a correspondent myself in the past. Not that that holds any clout in SWG.

I'm not young enough to know everything...

Pikeman Archive

Thread: To: StGabriel Careful what you ask for you say?