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Thread: All the Stats: CURB

antares_Kauri
Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:05 am
#1

Chart of accuracy/speed/defense stats for all professions with the new CURB values. If something is incorrect, let me know and I'll fix it.

All these stats are at master unless obviously otherwise (e.g. Ranged Support 4).


Legend:
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MA: Melee Accuracy
MS: Melee Speed
MD: Melee Defense
RA: Ranged Accuracy
RS: Ranged Speed
RD: Ranged Defense
SA: Weapon Specific Accuracy
SS: Weapon Specific Speed
SD: Weapon Specific Defense
TF: Toughness
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CLASS     |  MA  |  MS  |  MD  |  RA  |  RS  |  RD  |  SA  |  SS  |  SD  |  TF  |
Pikeman | 85 | 25 | 85 | 00 | 00 | 55 | 65 | 45 | 65 | 00 |
Swordsman | 85 | 25 | 85 | 00 | 00 | 60 | 110 | 65 | 50 | 00 |
Fencer | 70 | 25 | 85 | 00 | 00 | 55 | 75 | 65 | 40 | 00 |
TKA | 70 | 25 | 85 | 00 | 00 | 55 | 75 | 65 | 75 | 60 |

Pistoleer | 00 | 00 | 80 | 105 | 25 | 85 | 40 | 45 | 50 |
Carbineer | 00 | 00 | 60 | 105 | 20 | 75 | 65 | 50 | 40 |
Rifleman | 00 | 00 | 35 | 105 | 20 | 100 | 85 | 65 | 30 |

| prereq |
Commando | 55 | 20 | 95 | 95 | 25 | 70 | 55 | 45 | 50 | UA4/MM |
BH | 00 | 00 | 95 | 85 | 40 | 120 | 00 | 00 | 00 | M4/S4 |
CM | 00 | 00 | 50 | 10 | 05 | 50 | 00 | 00 | 00 | RS4 |
Smuggler | 10 | 05 | 50 | 55 | 30 | 45 | 00 | 00 | 00 | UA4/Pi4 |
SL | 00 | 00 | 65 | 60 | 20 | 80 | 00 | 00 | 00 | RS4 |


SKILL | MA | MS | MD | RA | RS | RD |

M.Marks | 00 | 00 | 10 | 55 | 20 | 30 |
Rgd Spt 4 | 00 | 00 | 10 | 30 | 05 | 25 |
M.Brawler | 30 | 20 | 20 | 00 | 00 | 05 |


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antares

Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 04-05-2005 09:06 AM

Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 04-05-2005 01:08 PM

Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 04-06-2005 07:12 AM



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UmmonPrime
Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:48 am
#2

Wow, we have the worst accuracy and speed.....and nothing above average.....



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Gunman21
Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:07 am
#3


Thanks for compiling this Antares.


We may have the worst speed modifiers, but I'm ok with that. It's much better than before, and not all professions are supposed to be fast attacking professions. A lot of it depends on your full template now, so if you want more melee speed, you'd pick up a melee profession that gave it to you


Message Edited by Gunman21 on 04-05-2005 10:08 AM




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UmmonPrime
Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:09 am
#4






Gunman21 wrote:


Thanks for compiling this Antares.


We may have the worst speed modifiers, but I'm ok with that. It's much better than before, and not all professions are supposed to be fast attacking professions. A lot of it depends on your full template now, so if you want more melee speed, you'd pick up a melee profession that gave it to you



Message Edited by Gunman21 on 04-05-2005 10:08 AM





Look at the chart. We have no advantages. We are either average or crap.



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antares_Kauri
Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:17 am
#5



UmmonPrime wrote:
Look at the chart. We have no advantages. We are either average or crap.


But there really is more to it than just these numbers in this chart, though I have issues with the way several of them work out...Pike has intimidate and warcry, skills no one else has, for example. TKA doesn't look like it is super defensive from this chart, but it is in fact going to be the most defensive non-Jedi profession because of other aspects.

Of course, that doesn't mean that there aren't issues to be looked at as seen in this chart.

antares



|Pikeman non-stop since July, 2003|
|combatUpgrade::alpha :: JTL::beta :: RotW::beta :: ToOW::beta|
SOE Producer Dallas Dickinson says:
"I mean, what is a pikeman and why is it something in the game?"
Combat_Medic_to_be
Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:21 am
#6


It's not all about stats though is it? When did your melee defense mod last incap anything?


Specials will have alot to play in the effectiveness of a proffesion.


I'm very interested to see where pikemen and TKAs will get their deffensive abilities from, considering swordsmen have the highest ranged defenses of the brawler classes. Looks interesting so far

Message Edited by Combat_Medic_to_be on 04-05-2005 07:23 PM



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UmmonPrime
Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:27 am
#7






antares_Kauri wrote:





UmmonPrime wrote:
Look at the chart. We have no advantages. We are either average or crap.




But there really is more to it than just these numbers in this chart, though I have issues with the way several of them work out...Pike has intimidate and warcry, skills no one else has, for example. TKA doesn't look like it is super defensive from this chart, but it is in fact going to be the most defensive non-Jedi profession because of other aspects.

Of course, that doesn't mean that there aren't issues to be looked at as seen in this chart.

antares






Just playing devils advocate here....


Besides, I've never used intimidate and warcry, never had to. I know I'm going to have to change my play style after the CU.




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OhGod3001
Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:48 am
#8

I also think Melee/Ranged defense/speed/accuracy stack with the specific defense/speed/accuracy, but it's hard to tell atm. Maybe add more columns for Total XXX, marked as 'not definite' (there again, what is with the CU atm?).


TMD : Total Melee Defense (MD+SD)
TRD : Total Ranged Defense (RD+SD)
TS : Total Speed (MS+SS)
TA : Total Accuracy (MA+SA)

TMD TRD TS TA
Pikeman 150 120 70 150
Swordsman 135 110 90 195
Fencer 125 95 90 145
TKA 160 130 90 145


Hope I got that right. Now we see we're just behind TK in 'tanking', we have slowest speed for whatever reason, and are better than Fencer/TK but behind swordsman for accuracy.

Also, as has been mentioned, weapons/specials will probably play a big part in your overall strength.

As far as I know (general) melee defense/accuracy/speed will stack for each profession you have, then you add in the specific defense/accuracy/speed for the weapon equiped to get your total.

Message Edited by OhGod3001 on 04-05-2005 11:19 PM



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1StarNinja
Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:57 am
#9


  1. Glad to see Antares is still here and pushing out the numbers like he always has. I don't know anyone in any other profession that has pushed out stuff like you have for the Pikeman profession.

  2. Excellent work on getting all the numbers together to see what they look like on paper

  3. Hope these numbers don't play out as bad as they look (or hoping, like will probably happen, that they get some modifications before launch)




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Combat_Medic_to_be
Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:42 pm
#10

FYI, Commando is now RS4 rather than MM as well. SL needs survival 4 as well as ranged support and CM need pistols 4 and PreCM from medic but not RS4 now.



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VacaXXX
Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:47 pm
#11

ok,


1. Ranger = combat how )>?<(


2. I can understand us having the slowest speed. . .


3. again , we cant pass judgement, we dont know crap about the upper level attacks/weapons yet


4. Antares > us. . . . -< BTW, does he need to change his Sig?







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antares_Kauri
Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:08 pm
#12



VacaXXX wrote:
BTW, does he need to change his Sig?


Still applicable until it actually goes live.

antares



|Pikeman non-stop since July, 2003|
|combatUpgrade::alpha :: JTL::beta :: RotW::beta :: ToOW::beta|
SOE Producer Dallas Dickinson says:
"I mean, what is a pikeman and why is it something in the game?"
Combat_Medic_to_be
Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:17 pm
#13






VacaXXX wrote:

ok,


1. Ranger = combat how )>?<(






Traps are used in combat, you need to kill critters to get scout xp from harvesting until exploration 2 at the bare minimum where you could use maskscent to gain scout xp by evading combat. Camps are used after combat to allow people to heal up and prepare for their next encounter with the wild.


Fairly combat orientated imo, just not a primary combat class but an effective class in PvE never the less.


Antares, thanks for putting together this info, very helpful. Now all we need is a list of all specials, now that's a mamoth task I'd have looked up all the ones I want myself but I'm waiting on my new PC, this one is dead as far as gaming is concerned





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