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Thread: Pondered It Grinded It Hated It Dropped It
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PubliusEnigma
Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:02 pm
#1
I am likely going to get flamed by the neoPikeman on this board but I absolutely loathed Pikeman, even as a master. I did the typical grind, learned the new abilities as they came along, hit master...and stood there like "um...this eats it".
Issues I believe are solely based on weaponry and limited selection. On Bloodfin I used a Master WS vendor, named Zowee, to buy my weapons from. Long Vibro, Vibro, etc. I believe the best I ever got, after a slice was 2.4 spd 328 max dmg. Which when I compared it to a TKA seemed like a brutal speed with the weaponry and character mods.
No.
Weak weak weak.
Give us more options already! The only way I ended up finding any enjoyment out of it was hunting with a TKM for NS, and sometimes getting loot drops of DOT lances.
Pikeman should have the ability to obtain weapons with 1.5-2.5 speeds and have it as fluid as TKM. Being that TKM and Pikeman are almost hand in hand, being up close combat, its absurd to have them so vastly seperated from each other in fighting ability.
Id love to hear some feedback on this.
Moygwai
GreatReorx
Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:45 pm
#2
pike owns TKA in PVE and PVP. You cant pick up pike and expect to be the best straight away. Its taken months to get my weapons and i to list i few i have 2.2 spd 233/938 unpoweruped. of course at mastr you cap speed easily.
To come onto the pike boards and say the the pofession is no good after just picking up mastr makes you look like a noob. spend some time and build yourself up or go back to to TKA and be like everybody else who has it.
Ta10c
Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:49 pm
#3
PubliusEnigma wrote:
I am likely going to get flamed by the neoPikeman on this board but I absolutely loathed Pikeman, even as a master. I did the typical grind, learned the new abilities as they came along, hit master...and stood there like "um...this eats it".
Issues I believe are solely based on weaponry and limited selection. On Bloodfin I used a Master WS vendor, named Zowee, to buy my weapons from. Long Vibro, Vibro, etc. I believe the best I ever got, after a slice was 2.4 spd 328 max dmg. Which when I compared it to a TKA seemed like a brutal speed with the weaponry and character mods.
No.
Weak weak weak.
Give us more options already! The only way I ended up finding any enjoyment out of it was hunting with a TKM for NS, and sometimes getting loot drops of DOT lances.
Pikeman should have the ability to obtain weapons with 1.5-2.5 speeds and have it as fluid as TKM. Being that TKM and Pikeman are almost hand in hand, being up close combat, its absurd to have them so vastly seperated from each other in fighting ability.
Id love to hear some feedback on this.
Moygwai
k firstly i can beat TKM in duels without dots.
and we can use about 4.5 speed without tapes (i think), but with tapes u can use up to 10.0 speed at the cap.
indeed pikeman is weak, with low toughness and defences.
but if u dont like it dont bother posting here, everyone knows pikeman is weaker if u dont put any effort into it. if i posted on TKM board that i dont like tkm cos its too weak, i would get flamed, so why bother here.
and we all know what to do to improve the profession, no one listens thou.
personally i prefer having a 2.0 speed 1.2k damage LVA with med ap, to a tkm with a 200 max 2.0 speed light ap VK.
Awik
Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:54 pm
#4
Just cuss u mastered a proffession, doesnt mean u have mastered its skills.
True....no?
Pilat
Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:03 pm
#5
LOL, just droped in and thats what I see =)
Pikeman is the most powerfull brawler profession in game. This has been proved over an over.
But what do we have here? Again, someone learned it. Stood with it ans said eeeeew! Sorry mate, but buying weapons from WS is like for novice pikemen. U get all the cool stuff from FORUMS or actula long an borin NS HUNTS. The reason why pikeman pwns is uber looted weapons and DOTs. Man, u aint gettin anything without at least speed caping first. I say spend like 20 mil on it and I'll be surprised to see u ever loose in no-rules duels =)
Look at me for example. 404 health fire+300 health poison. 700 damage every 10 secs. not many can survive that. and it costed me only 2 mil =). And that weakest of arsenal. Big shout to MIND FIRE, 1000+ max damage pikes, walking sticks and so on. U get to have a trick for every situation.
Use wisely and put some head to it. Whining dont get u anything. Just love ur profession and uwill ALWAYS do better then the rest.
Consider that crap I wrote =) But belive it or not I havent lost a single duel since I'm pikeman. And thats over 3 month of constant PvP. Not a single. Not even to a jedi. Think about it before whining.
Sculley
Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:34 pm
#6
After reading this over and over I still dont know why you even bothered posting here...
"Pikeman should have the ability to obtain weapons with 1.5-2.5 speeds and have it as fluid as TKM."
Two words... speed cap. On my 2.8 LVA I think I figured out I would only need +14 in speed tapes to cap, only +9 with master brawler.
"Being that TKM and Pikeman are almost hand in hand"
Hand in hand? Wha?
"Being up close combat, its absurd to have them so vastly seperated from each other in fighting ability."
So since they're both melee professions('up close combat') instead of each having its own strengths and weaknesses, they should be identical in every aspect? While we're at it how bout we do the same thing to fencer and swordsman, sincethey both use 'up close combat'. That way all the melee professions can just be duplicates of tk. It'd be much better that way..
Its pretty simple, if tk is so much better than pike, go tk...
Fierce1
Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:59 pm
#7
pike is fun bro,u should have given it more of a chance before droping it...like Greatreorx said..pike takes a while before u can really start owning,it takes a while to get worthy weps.. Unlike tkm where u can use ur hands or buy 200+ dmg vks at the price most Pikeman pay for one dot wep
DarthMarksman
Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:49 pm
#8
I have the least amount of room to talk here, since I'm a novice, but Pikeman has to be the most perfect balance between speed and power that I have seen. Fencers will argue this, of course. TK is powerful, but with only one kind of damage, they have mobs that are literally impervious to any of their attacks. Not to mention, Pikeman is a BLAST!!! to play. How can you not like getting surrounded by 4 Tusken Raiders and with one area knockdown see them all hit the ground, then follow that up wih a spin or area attack that kills them all before they can get off their backs.
Like some veterans have said, I don't think you gave it a chance to see it's true potential. Pikeman has to be the most misunderstood profession in the game.
annelid0
Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:51 pm
#9
No wonder we haven't been fixed with so many of us blinded by loot.
Doesn't anyone else see a problem with the widely stated belief in this thread that to be any good as a pikeman you have to spend millions upon millions of credits?
Doesn't anyone else see a problem with the widely stated belief in this thread that to be any good as a pikeman you have to spend millions upon millions of credits?
DarthMarksman
Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:51 pm
#10
Never used a looted pike. My LVA and VL have performed just fine and I'm not even Master, yet. Granted I don't PvP, so maybe I don't count looted pikes as important.
Ovakito
Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:13 am
#11
PubliusEnigma wrote:I am likely going to get flamed by the neoPikeman on this board but I absolutely loathed Pikeman, even as a master. I did the typical grind, learned the new abilities as they came along, hit master...and stood there like "um...this eats it".Issues I believe are solely based on weaponry and limited selection. On Bloodfin I used a Master WS vendor, named Zowee, to buy my weapons from. Long Vibro, Vibro, etc. I believe the best I ever got, after a slice was 2.4 spd 328 max dmg. Which when I compared it to a TKA seemed like a brutal speed with the weaponry and character mods.No.Weak weak weak.Give us more options already! The only way I ended up finding any enjoyment out of it was hunting with a TKM for NS, and sometimes getting loot drops of DOT lances.Pikeman should have the ability to obtain weapons with 1.5-2.5 speeds and have it as fluid as TKM. Being that TKM and Pikeman are almost hand in hand, being up close combat, its absurd to have them so vastly seperated from each other in fighting ability.Id love to hear some feedback on this.Moygwai
well post somthing like this expect to get beat up by the original pikes. I don't think pikeman was designed to be a Teras Kasi profession or else they would have named it Teras Kasi #2. The slow weapons high damage with armor piercing is the traditional way of fighting with a pike. I just started up the pike lines and am loving it because i can't grind up it in 8 hours, like i did TK. An actual chalange! God forbid!
Djena
Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:35 am
#12
PubliusEnigma wrote:
I am likely going to get flamed by the neoPikeman on this board but I absolutely loathed Pikeman, even as a master. I did the typical grind, learned the new abilities as they came along, hit master...and stood there like "um...this eats it".
Issues I believe are solely based on weaponry and limited selection. On Bloodfin I used a Master WS vendor, named Zowee, to buy my weapons from. Long Vibro, Vibro, etc. I believe the best I ever got, after a slice was 2.4 spd 328 max dmg. Which when I compared it to a TKA seemed like a brutal speed with the weaponry and character mods.
No.
Weak weak weak.
Give us more options already! The only way I ended up finding any enjoyment out of it was hunting with a TKM for NS, and sometimes getting loot drops of DOT lances.
Pikeman should have the ability to obtain weapons with 1.5-2.5 speeds and have it as fluid as TKM. Being that TKM and Pikeman are almost hand in hand, being up close combat, its absurd to have them so vastly seperated from each other in fighting ability.
Id love to hear some feedback on this.
Moygwai
Have you ever tried a powerhammer? Swordsman are also upclose in combat, but their hammers are even slower (most of the time). TKM is fast but against multiple opponents we easily outdamage them with a decent crafter and damage sliced pike, mine is 4.4 speed, 115-505 damage.
If you want fast stick with fencer and TK, if you want highdamage but slow go to swordsman, if you want reasonable damage and reasoble speed but great area attacks take pike. Pike is apparently not your favoritesince you prefer to be fast, but you can't expect to have AP2 and be as fast as TK or fencer.
Pilat
Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:34 am
#13
Djena, um.... the fact is that most of those duels were no-DOT ones. Most ppl will refuse to duel a pikeman full strength. =)
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