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Thread: Master Pikeman on Starsider Unrivaled in melee.

daymeeuhn
Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:35 am
#1

I took pikeman after dropping CM/Rifle as a challenge. I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, and see if the class was really as broken as everyone said.



So far, my character as he is now, has lost2 duels out of 43. One loss was to a friend whom I had said not to use Warcry, but he did anyway and I was dizzied/KD'd and just /endduelled. It was for fun, so technically this shouldnt count as a loss. The second loss was to a CM/Rifle who despite being within 14m was able to escape my Lunges, due to server lag in Coronet. Gotta love that. /shrug


I have beaten countless TKM's, Fencer/Pistoleers with uber Dodge, MBH's, CM/Riflemen, Riflemen with uber defense templates, Swordsmen, other pikemen, Commandos, and Armorsmiths.


And this is supposed to be a broken class? Kekekeke.




From what I have seen, Pikemen get the best loot drops in the game. The weapons we can use looted from Nightsisters really do make our class unbelievable. That, combined with a decent pocketbook, and you can have a solid pvper in no time.


For example, my Pikeman has +25 to speed, damage and accuracy, along with Counterattack, Evasion and Warcry. Warcry is extremely unfair and broken, but considering I feel Stacking defenses, CM's and the obvious abuse of mind damage are all also equally cheesy, I have decided the only way to beat cheese is with cheese. So for now, I use it.


With these skill mods, I can swing any Lance that has 3.0 speed or under and hit my cap, I hit almost all the time with barely any misses, and I do considerable damage. Melee characters with Melee Mit and Toughness are tricky to kill, but Ranged classes with Ranged defenses crumble underneath my Axe.



Then theres the lances... weapons I cant even believe Im allowed to use. Within the first few hits of any match, your mind is on fire, poisoned and youre probably dizzied and lying on the ground. At this point, I switch to a Wood Staff and let the good times roll.


Damage at this point is irrelevant, with 90% comp any damage but DOTs or Stun is a joke. My wood staff has Range mods of +18, instead of the typical LVA of -55 to -65. Its also incredibly fast, meaning I swing it at your head every second.


This, combined with 2 forms of KD (Polearm hit 3 can knock them down if theyre dizzied), an AOE Dizzy attack, Warcry and a Stun attack (Stun is huge right now. If you dont know how to use it properly, I strongly advise you study the effects of stun.) leaves you crying for mommy.



Not all builds are probably like mine. My template is solid pvp carved, no doctor or scout or anything backing it up. Only Novice Medic, for the occasional stims when Im not buffed. Because one fault, I will admit, is our obscene HAM costs. Nothing Buffage cant fix, but its a problem when Im unbuffed. Nonetheless, a quick Pixie/Glucose/Glucose with Flameout handy keeps me alive a decent amount of time. My defensive mods help me dodge quite a few attacks, and my main weakness, like most, is Poison.



The fact is, however, it only gets better.



Talks of changing my HAM costs to a much lower amount? Making me hit more? Fixing CM's? Removing stacking Dodge/Counterattack?? Helping fix the obvious strength in riflemen? I see nothing but me getting a hell of a lot stronger, and my toughest enemies a hell of a lot weaker.




If youre a Pikeman, and you dont win most duels, you need to start spending some money. Buy yourself some nice SEAs, drop them in an Ubese Shirt/Ubese Bandolier/Mabari Belt and keep them for life. Kill some Nightsisters, or some Jedi, and get yourself a nice Poison lance or two, and pray to god for some Fire lances. Fire, by far, is the strongest attack in the game, because it is the hardest attack to heal. Terrain being the only way out makes their situation a tricky one.



Id also suggest finding the best wood you can buy once you have these DOT lances, and trying my trick of switching to a Wood Staff once they are applied. If youre not penetrating their defenses when it comes to damage, penetrate their defenses when it comes to State. And remember.... even if they dodge, the poison/fire still sticks!



Naecabon
Wielder of the Sacred Pike
Foot Soldier of REIGN, Big Game Hunter!
daymeeuhn
Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:38 am
#2

Id also like to add my character is not just for Duels. Im an active part of the GCW and not only do I do just as well in that sense, I help stop zerging and constant GTEF'ing with Fire.



Heal those wounds, doc!





Naecabon
Wielder of the Sacred Pike
Foot Soldier of REIGN, Big Game Hunter!
Stonelegs
Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:58 am
#3

Stats on your weapons? Specific skills? Details, me boyo.



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Stonelegs
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daymeeuhn
Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:10 am
#4

My template is as follows:



Master Pikeman


4/4/4/0 Fencer


4/3/0/4 TKA


Master Brawler


Novice Medic




I Lack Terrain Nego but since most fighting is in town it doesnt matter. I have the Ranged/Melee def lines of TKA/Fencer, along with Meditate for obvious reasons, and the rest for State defense.




My weapons are pretty good IMO but not the best from what I have seen on other servers. I have not sliced ANY of my weapons yet, due to the factI value them too much. However, after finding out weapons with DOT's still do the DOT's at 0 condition, I have decided slicing my DOT weapons in hopes of a Speed slice is a good idea. Also upon deciding to have my "BEATDOWN STICK" aka Wood Staff for State offense once my DOTs are applied, I have decided I may slice my strong damage weapons for when I run into unarmored/range classes.


My LVA is 1.9 speed with 484 damage max, unsliced. Its not that high in damage, Ive seen 500+, but I was drawn in by the 1.9 speed. Its HAMs are also low, being 20/34/8. I really like the 8 on mind heh.


My Vibro Axe for when I encounter Ubese armor is 3.5 speed with 497 Damage max. This I do intend on getting sliced for sure, since I use it so sparingly, but Im waiting to see if the next big patch includes the ability for smugglers to choose what they slice.


My MindPoison axe packs a mind poison of 238 str, with 76% potency.


My two MindFire axes are one being 183 str with 22% potency, and 101 str with 98% potency. (godly.) I always hit with the 98%. The 22% has low potency, so if its a duel or a 1v1 in GCW I use it when theyre warcried and use Lunge, AOE Dizzy and Polearm3 til I see it take effect, then switch to the 98% Fire, then switch to the Poison, then switch to the Wood staff. The problem with multiple stacking DOT is you dont know when the second goes off. Meaning after the 22% is applied, I switch to the 98 and presume the first hit I land applies.


My wood staff has Range mods of +18 and a speed of 2.7.




So... now that any enemy on Starsider knows my build in and out, I should probably expect some of them to be better prepared to fight me in the future.



But hey, if this helps any Pikemen to better themselves in PvP, then more power to you. I am one of the co-leaders in a prominent PvP guild on starsider, so Im not talking out my ass. This is the real deal. I assure you. I have fought and killed some of the top PvPers on our server with this current avatar.


Where theres a will, theres a way.



Naecabon
Wielder of the Sacred Pike
Foot Soldier of REIGN, Big Game Hunter!
LordMitford
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:47 am
#5

Thats great info thanks Naecabon, makes me glad I dont PvP



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atimes
Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:06 am
#6

There are many here who would argue that you are successful as a pikeman because of your 4-3-0-4 TKA and 4-4-4-0 fencer.


If you did not have a strictly PvP build with stacked mods and were just a pikeman ALONE then things would not be so rosy for you.


The profession has problems. Lowest defenses, lowest toughness 3x modifier on PH3 when all others have a 4x modifier horrible range modifiers on our weapons and insane HAM costs.


Basically you need all the accuracy boxes and you must play buffed 24/7 in order for pikeman to work.


MarshalCreed
Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:11 am
#7

I LOVE YOUR PROFILE AS MINE WAS THE SAME, CHEERS.


I have however recently changed it though. I dropped fencer to 4/4/0/0 and picked up sword 0/0/4/0 so I could get more melee and ranged defense as well as 10 more points to def vs posture change and 15 points vs kd.


I too have yet to lose a duel but that IS because I use my dot weapons and warcry. It has nothing to do with the fact with Pikeman skills but the fact I have MASTERED BRAWLER. Additionally, Pikeman does let me use these DOT weapons and I usually get a mind incap. I could probably do the same if I dropped Pike to 0/0/4/4 and mastered fencer. In fact I would probably be even more effective. Pike only lets you use dot weapons, other than that everything else is crap.





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Northern Storm Command
tacwraith
Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:07 am
#8

"I strongly advise you study the effects of stun"



Ive been trying to figure these out for a time and all ive noticed is stun prevents people from changing postures, sitting down, meditating, steal 1 combat round once every 30 seconds and lowers secondary stats just a little bit.


If you know something I dont , post it here. so far stun seems a very useless effect, i hope im wrong





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DirtyDon
Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:20 am
#9

Yeah... well, some of us would like to be able to fight in PvP with using a Mind Fire Lance.


I was fighting a guy in AH the other day and this si what the fight came down to:


He uses WaryCry, then he setts my mind on fire, the he runs away.


Basically he was a close range CM.


Winning duels with Mind fire has nothing to do with being a Pikeman. You only have to be a 0/0/0/2 Brawler to use those lances.


Personally, i think mind fire is 100% bogus. Just my opinion.




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2/0/0/0 TKA (mastering next), Master Brawler, Novice Medic, Surveyer
Former Master Marksman, Commando, Medic, Doctor, Carbineer, Pikeman, Image Designer, Entertainer, Scout, Artisian, Dancer,Musican
antares_Kauri
Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:55 am
#10

Anyone can use those DoT polearms, not just us. Most of them have poor speed and damage anyway, they become one-use needles to stick the DoT and then switch to another weapon. Anyone can do that.



antares
master pikeman



|Pikeman non-stop since July, 2003|
|combatUpgrade::alpha :: JTL::beta :: RotW::beta :: ToOW::beta|
SOE Producer Dallas Dickinson says:
"I mean, what is a pikeman and why is it something in the game?"
Salahsur
Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:01 pm
#11

Exactly what they said...

If it weren't for those weapons, you'd be better off being a Swordsman with the other things remaining the same. The entire reason why you're winning is Master Brawler plus the Fencer and TKA elements - not the Pikeman.
Gunman21
Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:12 pm
#12

Have to agree here, the fencer/tka stuff really puts a big bonus into your character.


Pikeman w/ maybe onlymedic would be a completely diffrent story for you.




Aidelon Kejaci
Legends Among Warriors

Former pikeman correspondent December 2003 - August 2005.

R.I.P. Pikeman!

antares_Kauri
Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:13 pm
#13

I'm not down-playing any accomplishments at all, I was just making a point that the DoT weapons can be used by anyone and rare looted weapons shouldn't be the basis for saying a class is good. You are good to put to use all that the class has available. If it's all working well for you, congrats.

antares
master pikeman



|Pikeman non-stop since July, 2003|
|combatUpgrade::alpha :: JTL::beta :: RotW::beta :: ToOW::beta|
SOE Producer Dallas Dickinson says:
"I mean, what is a pikeman and why is it something in the game?"
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