Pikeman Archive
Thread: The Big Big Update: 9-4-03
Snowballschance - Master Pikeman - Master Brawler - Tarquinas - BHSS
1) Specials - Zerk/Warcry..etc (bugged makes melee horrid to play)
- Make the level 2 skills from master brawl worth it, zerk2 being the worst
- Bugged being the specials NEVER hit, has resisted message <-- fix asap
2) Deffense - We haven't been a "tank" from day one
- We need special deffenses block/dodge/counter (haven't had since release ???)
- Confused with our role in the game, reguardless ranged templates shouldn't get near equal deffense
3) HAM cost - Where was the balance it still socks
- Wookie with max str/quick and hits action/health for 139 <-- thats pathetic
- HAM for specials warcry/intim..etc, needs change: 1)high cost = high% hit or 2)low cost = lower% hit
4) Hit + Run
- Complain about movies/RL but once templates are in a game there must be balance, so many people cry: "if you chase me with bat and i shoot you with a gun i win...etc" This is everyones galaxy and should be balanced as we pay for it and work to create it. Therefor we as a whole decide the changes
- Melee must recieve some type of balance vs ranged. I've mentioned before add a special effect to intim or warcry that slows the foot speed of the enemy, root. Making melee not faster but having to use HAM + SKILL to catch the prey. <-- ya'll can do better with balancing this factor; game should be named star wars blasters or more recently star wars commando's
5) KD - It needed a balance but not made worthless
- With peoples given resistance to KD vs only usable every 30 sec? <-- things like this make me wonder because a BH can spam eyeshot and kill you before you land KD (in addition as a pikeman and having AOE sweep how fair is that, tru we shouldn't be over kill but this is one of the few reasons to choose pikeman over other classes.
- If KD are going to be nerfed then allow Lunge to be used more often. It already only did 1 damage and can be resisted also, yet another quick irrational decision to change without thinking balance.
* Overall this patch was a big slap in the face for melee's across the galaxy. MAKE MASTER BRAWLER WORTH OBTAINING. Problem being Master isn't worth it atm because the skills/specials given from novice can't even be used due to poor design. SWG has great potential, but you can only disgrace certain classes before they turn their back on you. I'm not going ranged because melee is bugged because I want to be melee. If some things can't be corrected SOE may find a shorter # of enlisted players/members.
Perhaps thus will change your oppinion of me, Legwand, when I explain why I don't grind exp...
I am a master, and have been for a while. So, gaining Exp is not a big priority. I Always search for big game, but there really isn't any bigger then the Krayt Dragon, and I am working on a way to take on as a melee class (lol, I know, "He'll Never Do It!!!"). By playing casually I mean that before I made master, I played, let's see, I want to say 4-7 hours a day (I probably played more, but I think I a trying to downplay it so I don't sound like a geek, hehe). When I became Correspondent, my gameplay wen't down to about 3-6 hours. Then shortly after being named Correspondent, I made master, played around wth it, and now I play casually, which is still on average 3-5 hours a day, though I think I spend the same time on the boards now.
Please when you post your oppinion, leave out the obvious swear words, though covered up, it may still be a violation of the board. Also, try not to be angry when you have not read the most important stuff about the messages to SOE. Namely the recent one where I stated that I was stepping down from the job, before all of this kd talk happened.
Khrim...
Rango Wrote:
Totally disagree im a near master pikeman 4-3-4-3 you must not have sweeps 2 then.Tthe kd was the only thing we had worth a crap to keep ranged players within strike distance. They all cry aboout the kd simple fact is a ranged player should die very fast when in the range of a powerful melee character just as a strong melee player should die when outside of melee range of a good pistoleer. This patched ruined and chace we have. I cant even beat 2 or 3 blue splash enemies any more. The patch is ridiculous
I get Sweep2 as soon as I can get to Mos Espa for training. But, Rango, did you really read my post? Or are you just posting in anger like so many others? I agreed with you that we should be able to hack down the ranged people when we get to them. Marksmen should live in fear of us surviving to get close enough to hurt them.
The point of my post was that we are relying on knockdown inproperly. It was there, we needed something for tough mobs and PvP, so KD got used. Knockdown doesn't fix the kiting issue, its just a poor jury-rig. Why should we depend on keeping our opponents on the ground if our profession worked? If we hadPROPER accuracy, toughness, HAM costs, blocking, and superior running speed - this wouldn't be a problem. Once we are the fast anddangerous tanksbrawlers should be,the KD timer will be small potatoes.
It justsucks right now.
BTW-When does your next report go out Silver? We're all very keen to know when the devs will next be informed of our plight.
I am a master, and have been for a while. So, gaining Exp is not a big priority. I Always search for big game, but there really isn't any bigger then the Krayt Dragon, and I am working on a way to take on as a melee class (lol, I know, "He'll Never Do It!!!"). -------- SilverSurfer
Tell me if SilverSurfer just pretty muched summed up wht is wrong with being a Pikeman. He's a master Pikeman and knows he will never be able to take down a Krayt Dragon. In the meantime, I just watched a guy solo it the other day. Am I missing something??Do the Devs not see the freakin problem that we have here? Something that 5 pikeman together couldn't kill, takes only one gunner!! So what do the Devs decide to do?? They nerf us! because we are just toooooo powerful. LOL!!!! Meanwhile, if you check out the other boards, there is some Commando bragging that he is doing 6k of damage every shot!!!!!!!! Then saying his only drawback is that he misses every other shot. HAHAHAHHAHAHA... If I wasn't laughing I would be crying right now.
We cannot even kill a newbie with a pistol. I dueled my friend that started this game on Saturday and has 2 boxes into the pistol lvl. Surprise! he beat me. So a guy that has played for 2 days can beat a person that has worked on his skills for 2 months. I believe the Devs actually would say, "that he must have used better tactics".
So I believe the question that everyone is really asking on some sort of level is "Does Sony want to get rid of all Melee classes and make this game only for ranged users and CHers????" If so please let us know and I'll throw these "worthwhile" points into another profession. But if they are serious about keeping this as a viable class, instead of a second tier lower than the lowest baby pet class, then lets see them implement some changes that help instead of hinder us. I really feel that is why people are going off on this KD timer. It was the one move that really separated us from the rest of the professions. We were feared to a certain extent in PVP. But no more. We are the laughing stock of the rest of the SWG population.
True, Kryats are soloable, just not by melee... heh, that being said, I was also looking for a way to do it with out kd, now that would be why it is even harder. It is true SOE has stated that, and I paraphrase, If a melee and a ranged player go head to head the ranged will almost always win. Though I do no truely agree that it is as simple as that in game.
The balance is that if a melee and a ranged fight, the ranged will run, and the melee will get the trash kicked out of him. Kiting is a big issue as it not only disrupts the natural flow ofPVP combat, it also happens that they are using the same tactic in PVE, taking away any challenge for a ranged person to gain exp. Where now with out KD, most of us can't take on anything we used to.
If it were my choice to mess with things, I'd make there be a lot more exp for a ranged, and limit their ability to fire while running, like a decrease in accuracy (that meant something, not like 1%, which itpretty much is now). Or even better, make it so that while in combat, that whena ranged person moves, their action bar goes down. And the more they move, the faster it goes down. It doesn't have to be much, but just so it discurraged kiting. Kinda like adding in fatigue. 
I have posted my last letter to SOE, in the thread etitled : "New Message to SOE!!!" and am awaiting the dev's reply on the board. At that time I will either be released of the role of correspondent or will send off another message.
BTW, I surrendered all of the skills so, I am a novice pikeman again working my way back up, because people feel that I am out of touch with them in the kd, issue. heh, this is gunna take a whil e to get back to master.
Khrim...
0010 kd, an attack... I've forgotten how much spin attack can help you when you are surrounded by white opponents.
They are dead. I never leave a fight till the opponent or I am dead. ((I clone a lot)) hehe
Khrim...
It is al in my char's bio. "Never backs down from a challenge..."