Pikeman Archive
Thread: How do you kill your jedi opponents
wrrle
Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:16 am
#27
Stack Action Fire and Poison for a 683 tic(240 seconds), area attack2 for dizzy, sweep, leg hit 3 for the win.
Damon123
Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:12 pm
#28
Sorry guys, 1 vs 1 you cannot beat a Jedi. Your defenses are not good enough. I eat a snowcake, turn on forcearmor if facing a highdamage lance and I tend to ignore fires. I will simply run (slow enough to be followed) to the nearest water and fight there.
I use FR1 all the time and while you are still in warcry animation (to EXPLOIT the BUG that it is NOT breaking on damage) I am 30+ meters away and waiting for warcry to end to have 40-50 secs to beat on you.
Your KD defense is not enough, cause it caps at 95 and is in percent, so I stick a dizzy, ignore my own states and saberthrow you til you are down.
And then - then its GAME OVER - regardles of your DoT-pikes.
The only thing DoT-pikemen are good for are grouping (with TEF of course) in ganksquads waiting to gank a Jedi.
You are LAME, and admitting using exploits wont raise your reputation at all.
D.
P.S.: All non-DoT-users will laugh at you when CU (hopefully) finally hits. No more mitigation, mind not being critical, DoT either removed from weapons or GREATLY reduced (though I think DEVs might think reducing buffs and keeping current DoT would be a GOOD idea), you will actually be forced to concentrate on SKILL and not on weapon stats. 
Message Edited by Damon123 on 11-30-2004 04:16 PM
Xaurus
Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:20 am
#29
Damon123 wrote:
Sorry guys, 1 vs 1 you cannot beat a Jedi. Your defenses are not good enough. I eat a snowcake, turn on forcearmor if facing a highdamage lance and I tend to ignore fires. I will simply run (slow enough to be followed) to the nearest water and fight there.
I use FR1 all the time and while you are still in warcry animation (to EXPLOIT the BUG that it is NOT breaking on damage) I am 30+ meters away and waiting for warcry to end to have 40-50 secs to beat on you.
Your KD defense is not enough, cause it caps at 95 and is in percent, so I stick a dizzy, ignore my own states and saberthrow you til you are down.
And then - then its GAME OVER - regardles of your DoT-pikes.
The only thing DoT-pikemen are good for are grouping (with TEF of course) in ganksquads waiting to gank a Jedi.
You are LAME, and admitting using exploits wont raise your reputation at all.
D.
P.S.: All non-DoT-users will laugh at you when CU (hopefully) finally hits. No more mitigation, mind not being critical, DoT either removed from weapons or GREATLY reduced (though I think DEVs might think reducing buffs and keeping current DoT would be a GOOD idea), you will actually be forced to concentrate on SKILL and not on weapon stats.
Message Edited by Damon123 on 11-30-2004 04:16 PM
P.S.: CU is going to destroy your every notion of what combat in this game is all about it. I will only laugh when you and the rest of the DOT-free populace actually have tocontend with a pikemanon a balanced system! I welcome the day when skill will prove more then stacking or overpowered professions do.
Torael
Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:42 pm
#30
Personally I disagree about the DOT's thing...meaning I've never used one on a jedi, eitherin a duel or in PvP. My loss maybe, but maybe not? Just keep them intimidated, of course, dizzy them, and get them on their backs. Once they're down, they'll obviously be trying to heal their states off....so don't let them if you can. I prefer to use Area2 to stun AND dizzy. Get 'em on their backsand spam it for all you're worth.
Just keep them intimidated, of course, dizzy them, and get them on their backs. Once they're down, they'll obviously be trying to heal their states off....so don't let them if you can. I prefer to use Area2 to stun AND dizzy. Get 'em on their backsand spam it for all you're worth.Also, keep a close eye on their HAM bars. The random attacks obviously do hit the health pool *most* often...but if that action pool starts to drop low, zero in on it with leghit3.
Someone also mentioned the use of the /ui action clearCombatQueue command (does the same thing as the "Clear" button on the combat queue, but if you can macro it it can be easier...) That's useful too....not just for switching your attacks in and out, too. Put it in your heal macro, if you have one. 
Defense stacking helps. On Lowca, at least, about half the jedi are in love with the double-saber...the only real threat from these ones are the ones that have a REALLY REALLY GOOD saber (and there aren't too many, if any at all, of them) and the states...dervish2 or whichever attack it is applies states like mad, and if you get KD/Dizzied against a jedi it's basically game over. Stacked up Block can be nice, too...obviously it isn't as good as dodge or counterattack, but its better than nothing! The Jedi that you have to be more careful around are the ones that are smart (or maybe they just saw someone else doing it) and use their one-handed sabers on us non-jedi...they don't apply as many states, though, in my experience. If you go with defense stacking, obviously Stun, KD, and Dizzy are the most important ones to be mindful of.
FOODS! Its kind of a tossup here. Aside from the "standard" brandy, what you might use defense on who you're facing. I rarely use synthsteak at all anyway, but it is a viable option. Another alternative is to use Vercupeti....if you can get double-buff stuff (+1k HAM at 50 fill), you can chomp down two of those and give the Jedi an extra 2k he's got to chew through. Stack spice, either Muon or Neutron Pixie depending on whether your opponent is using a polearm saber or a 1h saber, and you've got a brief period of time where you're an absolute monster. Buffed for 2800 (janta buffs), powerboosted, with 2x vercupeti, 2x brandy and a muon, I've hit around 6k HAM. That's like /npcmode right there. 
Healing is obviously handy, at least against those in love with the double-saber...Medic 0040 is what I hold to be the "minimum" requirement. I recently shuffled my template, though, and reeeeaaally love FS Healing Line + Medic 1240.
What else....well. Eh. Aint a problem in duels, but in PvP you DO want to try to avoid getting into situations where you've got multiple Jedi on you. It's possible to manage for a short time, especially because of the power of our AOE's, but it's still something best avoided. If it happens, one alternative is to just spam the aoe's and pray. Other possibility is to warcry one of them and ignore him for twenty seconds while you go to work on the other. Speaking of Warcry (it IS fixed now, I believe, so don't think you can be lame and use it THAT way), it's obviously extremely handy to use to cover heals and (if you use DOT's) weapon switches.
Hmm. That's about all I can think of!
Torael
Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:51 pm
#31
Benpimpin wrote:
Damon123 wrote:
Sorry guys, 1 vs 1 you cannot beat a Jedi. Your defenses are not good enough. I eat a snowcake, turn on forcearmor if facing a highdamage lance and I tend to ignore fires. I will simply run (slow enough to be followed) to the nearest water and fight there.
I use FR1 all the time and while you are still in warcry animation (to EXPLOIT the BUG that it is NOT breaking on damage) I am 30+ meters away and waiting for warcry to end to have 40-50 secs to beat on you.
Your KD defense is not enough, cause it caps at 95 and is in percent, so I stick a dizzy, ignore my own states and saberthrow you til you are down.
And then - then its GAME OVER - regardles of your DoT-pikes.
The only thing DoT-pikemen are good for are grouping (with TEF of course) in ganksquads waiting to gank a Jedi.
You are LAME, and admitting using exploits wont raise your reputation at all.
D.
P.S.: All non-DoT-users will laugh at you when CU (hopefully) finally hits. No more mitigation, mind not being critical, DoT either removed from weapons or GREATLY reduced (though I think DEVs might think reducing buffs and keeping current DoT would be a GOOD idea), you will actually be forced to concentrate on SKILL and not on weapon stats.
Message Edited by Damon123 on 11-30-2004 04:16 PM
Haha you are a joke, come to sunrunner and I will beat you I guarantee it without ever using a single dot on you, you admit the only way you can win is run like a sissy, if you stand and fight I will beat you anyday, I bet you are posting this cause you actually suck with your Jedi and get owned by pikeman's dots all the time, and you are just waiting for the combat rebalance hoping that Jedi is powerful enough to still kill anyone even with a sh1tty player behind the controls, sorry to break it to you but people that can't play aren't any better as Jedi when fighting skilled players, grow up and stay off the pikeman forum until you grasp reality.
Sorry for the double post, but I agree with Benpimpin here. Come to Lowca and I'll tear you apart, without dots. Also you seem pretty stupid about your own profession. You flip Forcearmor on against a pikeman hammering on you with a 1k+ max LVA and you're force pool is going to evaporate...and then you'll be worse than useless. IF you manage to stick a dizzy to me past my 80 natural def vs dizzy + 18 from SEA's, you'll still have to stick the KD past my 70 def vs Dizzy + 12 from SEA's (it really is amazingly rare that I get BOTH KD'd and Dizzied at the same time), and hope that I don't manage to get back up right away. And if you're ignoring your own states, all the better for me, it means I don't have to reapply Intimidate 1 and 2, Dizzy, and Stun, and so I can just go right for the Hit3 or other 3x damage mod attack.
Yet
Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:56 pm
#32
well if a jedi trys messing with me what i do is i take em and i grabs em and i...*makes voilent gestures with hands*...then they become my jailbuddie or a waste of a clone
Benpimpin
Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:26 pm
#33
Yeah Torael you have obviously had a lot of the same experiences as me, I'm glad we both see that this guy is probably really a padawan at best that has been spending too much time reading the Jedi forums lol.
DrEabat
Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:46 pm
#34
woot whats up vaca? im a TKAM doc. vaca can take me at any time. but i did take a jedi down my advice to take down a tkaM get him on his back before he gets u on yours. intimidate. stats. and well duh DOTS foo DOTS.
my advice to take down a tkaM get him on his back before he gets u on yours. intimidate. stats. and well duh DOTS foo DOTS. Eabat-Master tka Master doc.
Damon123
Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:34 am
#35
I CANNOT come to any other server - Jedi are not transferable. But as I said - I use FR only to move to a location where I can swim (curing fire) or stand away for the time delayed. Furthermore, I got some nice food reducing DoT by half - and I can ignore fire up to 800 then for quite a while. If a pikeman considers to change weapons he id dead.
Furthermore, I read a couple of posts here - all you care about is DoT - only few are about actually making your profession worthwhile.
Yet you call me a sissy? What is the point in DoTing than easy kill?
D.
wrrle
Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:20 am
#36
Damon123 wrote:
I CANNOT come to any other server - Jedi are not transferable. But as I said - I use FR only to move to a location where I can swim (curing fire) or stand away for the time delayed. Furthermore, I got some nice food reducing DoT by half - and I can ignore fire up to 800 then for quite a while. If a pikeman considers to change weapons he id dead.
Furthermore, I read a couple of posts here - all you care about is DoT - only few are about actually making your profession worthwhile.
Yet you call me a sissy? What is the point in DoTing than easy kill?
D.
The point of DoTing is to take down melee stackers, any melee stacker without Doc 3000 in his template is not going to last long. Unless you have a better way to take them out?
Benpimpin
Sun Dec 12, 2004 10:02 pm
#37
Damon123 wrote:
I CANNOT come to any other server - Jedi are not transferable. But as I said - I use FR only to move to a location where I can swim (curing fire) or stand away for the time delayed. Furthermore, I got some nice food reducing DoT by half - and I can ignore fire up to 800 then for quite a while. If a pikeman considers to change weapons he id dead.
Furthermore, I read a couple of posts here - all you care about is DoT - only few are about actually making your profession worthwhile.
Yet you call me a sissy? What is the point in DoTing than easy kill?
D.
Hey nub, go back and read my post again, I don't waste time dotting knights, they fall quick enough to a high damage LVA, i won't switch weapons once, I'll just sit back and watch you try to heal and then either die or run like a sissy, cause I won't be the one losing.
Torael
Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:51 pm
#38
Benpimpin wrote:
Damon123 wrote:
I CANNOT come to any other server - Jedi are not transferable. But as I said - I use FR only to move to a location where I can swim (curing fire) or stand away for the time delayed. Furthermore, I got some nice food reducing DoT by half - and I can ignore fire up to 800 then for quite a while. If a pikeman considers to change weapons he id dead.
Furthermore, I read a couple of posts here - all you care about is DoT - only few are about actually making your profession worthwhile.
Yet you call me a sissy? What is the point in DoTing than easy kill?
D.
Hey nub, go back and read my post again, I don't waste time dotting knights, they fall quick enough to a high damage LVA, i won't switch weapons once, I'll just sit back and watch you try to heal and then either die or run like a sissy, cause I won't be the one losing.
Likewise...jedi don't get the dots, from me at least. Applying a dot to them is a waste of (at least) 7 seconds that I could have spent simply mashing them to a pulp. If that's all you run away for, great. Means you won't run away as I'm beating the snot outta you. You already said you'd ignore all your own states, means that you'd ignore the Dizzy I'd stick to you, and the Intimidate 1 and 2. And sure, you might eat +100 Def vs KD Thakitillo, but polearmhit3 is a posture down. Sure you can turn on the force armor. That's what, 40% resists? How much force does it take up every time you get hit?
And by the way, I douse dots on people, sometimes. The point of dots (to me) is to kill melee stackers that I can't kill otherwise. See, (GAME LESSON TIME!), there's this thing called "mitigation" that has this interesting effect of combining with this thing called "toughness" and this other thing that people wear called "composite armor", and the ultimate effect is that I do about 50 damage to someone, even using my 1k+ max LVA. Gee no need to heal that sincea buffed player regenerates HAM almost as quickly.
DML6589
Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:14 pm
#39
Any kind of fire, poison, disease etc. Intimidate and warcry are your friend. Apply as many states as possible at one time, and try to kd them. I found spreading damage out across all 3 bars most effective, because it Drains more force and it keeps them healing