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I have listened to you guys debate one another for about a day now, and much has been said. Since you people believe that I have no idea what it is like to be a novice again, where sweep is our only comfort (some say), I have chosen to surrender the skills down to novice.I am now currenty working up the ladder again, though I do get a bonus because all the exp I got when I was master, so I get one skill, I assume everyone wants me to take sweep, so I will get it first.

Khrim Charan

Living life as a 0,0,1,0 pikeman, hoorah!

I now really doubt you ever were a master. This was never about your level, it was about your lack of seeing what many other high level pikeman are noticing. Seems from what I have read that your defenders are low level pikemen. It seems that you are now telling us what level you are actually at.

In any event, Im not here to question your ethics or how you play. My point is that judging by your comments, you have not represented the Pikemen community accurately. If you feel that telling everyone that you are surrendering your master skills in order to better understand the community is going to better accomplish this then I wish you well.

I really wish for the best for the Pikeman class as I am a firm supporter of all melee classes.

i never expected to be flamed for my post, but i suppose with forums like these there will rarely be many mature posters. and to think i was under the impression that being one of the few pikeman around, there wouldnt beas many trolling posters around here...

i havent had much trouble with my rebel destroy missions containing around 3 dark blue conned NPCs, so i hadnt realized that others were having trouble. i have been reading issues, and i decided to post, because i saw this: "And before i could solo 2-3 white splash squills now not even close."

you shouldnt be able to take out 2-3 white con squills at once, so i was trying to point out that its a good thing.

why are yall flaming silver? it wasnt him alone who did sent in the changes. if im not mistake he posted every letter he sent in and all that was flodded with was GOOD JOB SILVER!!! so b4 u go and say he is a looser and wasnt a master,maby u need to think. Why would SOE hire a corepondant who wasnt a master? hmmm maby cuz they didnt. u ppl need to think of how SOE can screw up what could be a good idea and blame urself instead of blaming silver

true, I /agree.

Khrim...

Silver -

It's not your job to 'verify' peoples complaints by dropping to Novice and testing whether or not KD is an issue for you from there. You can't possibily match all the combinations of gear, classes, support, grouping, soloing, pets, non-pets, etc. that the pikeman community has.

This is exactly why some pikeman think you're not doing a good job. Instead of testing how it effects you, you should be compiling 'other' pikeman's concerns and getting them addressed. Your 'opinion' shouldn't even be part of it as our representative. If 90% of your constituents want you to vote for 'legalizing shadowpaw' you **edit** well very vote for it whether you agree or not, or be prepared to have a bunch of pissed off voters come 'election time'.

Here I'll start:

How has 30-timer effected you enjoyment of your class (1(greatly decreased) -10(greatly increased): 2

How do you spend the majority of your fighting (1 (all PvE) - 10(all PvP): 3

How important is it for you to be able to 'tank' (1(unimportant) -10(very important): 9

Please list your top 3 concerns as a Pikeman:

1. KD timer

2. Accuraccy

3. Toughness

And no I don't want to be correspondent or think i'd be better.

What Silver Surfer has done to merely test what others find so wrong with class, just shows he is probably more committed to this class than any of us. What has to stop is all this childish KD timer angst nonsense. For some reason, it has become a current trend that those who are very against the timer, feel the need to personally insult the integrity of anyone that feels it was a step in the right direction. Since I rely on this class, I don't like seeing knockdown made virtually useless. But I THINK it's better than seeing the KD duels that have plagued PVP, and the way it was occasionally abused in PVE. Stop acting like punks. Who cares if Gunman's name here on the boards has the wordGUN in it, he is still a pikeman so it has no relevance to his character in the game. If you disagree, state your case and move on. Just because Silver Surfer was not personally angered by the changes, does not mean that he would not have passed along our concerns. But you never gave him the chance to voice your concerns, you just tell him to step down because he doesn't have your viewpoint on this issue. Give him a chance to organize through this mess, then give him a hard time if you feel he hasn't properly represented you to the dev's...

well i wanna know why some 1 even complained about him redone the ladders o.O. why do yall complain about the kd timer? i mean all it takes is to look at a board for like 5 mins see how ppl r pissed. and stop tellig silver how to do his job!!! he comes here and listens to us bitch and he tells the people above him about it. so really its not his fault we r upset. and shut up with the kd timer already!! i come here to see stuff that can help us be more efficeint but instead i see lil 11 year olds cry about a time out from being bullies to a enemy

Erba your second post udoes your first. To call the people here on this forum crying 11 yr old is utter nonsense. There are many coherent and well thought out reasons why the 30 second timer is not the answer (and better yet there are alot of good solutions being tossed around). This does not just come from Pikeman but from virtually every other melee proff as well as many ranged characters.

IMHO the 11 yr old whiners are many of the people who were spanked by KD in the first 6 weeks of the game. My first exposure to PvP, I was KD'd the entire fight (just stepped off a plane) after doing a faction mission. I laughed, researched the game alot more, and went on with it. Big deal. Now however, the PvP Timer solution is asever gimping to PvE (it'sdrastically cuts back the usage of area attacks and this is a huge part of Pikeattacks)as well as PvP.

Silver's redoing the ladder is admirable but I'm at this point I'm concerned with hearing the developer feedback from the 9/4 gimp-patch.

The only problem with redoing the ladder is that now, I have no way of testing the affects myself. heh, so perhaps it was in vain. That being said, at least I can have some fun working up to the top again.

Ah, on recent posts many people are opposed to me and some are for. So, should I add that as one of the concerns? hehe, just kidding.

I am not sure how to respond to your people's posts anymore. The issuse of the KD timer has been talked to death, and both sides know it, that is why it has been a flaming match and or, a battle between who supports me and who doesn't. I await the time in which SOE reads my last message and releases me from this role with less reservation then I did when I wrote it.

I just ask everyone to stop fighting about me, and get back to the issues. Yes, the KD timer is number one priority on the upcoming letter, then I don't know what to put next because we have been flaming each other's oppinions so much.

Khrim...

Sheesh, how many of us are actually reading all of the post here in their entirety? I am one of the ones who believe the KD timer was an Idea that wasn't thought out at all as a fix to the KD exploit, but at the same time I'm looking at post from people on both sides of this debate and it seems that people on both sides are making insinuations about things that people never said, or regurgitating a point about some aspect of this debate that a person on the opposing point of view has already clarified.

And it's kind of annoying.

Please, guys, everyone on both sides of the debate please go through and read ALL of the post on the forum and really get an understanding of what each person is trying to say and not just skim the post before making a repoly. Good points are made on both sides of the spectrum and if we all paid closer attention to what is being posted closely, we can limit the flamingand beginto startposting constuctive comments and reasonable suggestions that we can all agree on.

Just a couple of things I've notice i'll recap just to give you an Idea of what i'm talking about.

#1 -Silver is being ripped a new one because he doesn't think the KD timer is a big deal, I personally think it is a big deal,But not once has he said that he won't include our concerns on this matter on his letter to the devs. He only said that that's HIS opinon. But everyone keeps posting and flaming him like he's not going to do his job and report it.

#2 - a few people keep posting that anyone who does notagree with the KD timer is only interested in spamming the KD and they are only interested in using it as a crutch. If you read the post though you will find that, while there have been a couple of posters who felt that this was the only reliable move Pikemen had, most of the Naysayers are seeking to have the devs revisit their fix and provide true balance to what was a great move to the Pike arsenal, and not just throw out an I'll thought out fix that totally disables it.

There are more, but just from these 2 points alone I keep seeing this argument back and forth and it seems that nobody is really truly listening to what the other is saying and their is this big mis-understanding back and forth.

Let's work together Pike-people!!

Unfortunately no one may keep their hands clean in war. As such bias sets in, I agree that I was bias in my oppinion, but you are right, it is only my oppinion, and not what I am going to include in my letters to SOE.

Khrim...

Vote of confidence for SS: Aye.

WhiteFur