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Thread: Silver Surfer

Morath360
Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:04 pm
#14

Rango is one level from getting master. He can use D stimp as he is a master medic. He also has a sludge panther tanking.He has usedthe sludge to attack a mountain squill only to have a second one come at him. He hit it with everything but the kitchen sink. It was like he was using a toothpick. His weap is comparable to mine damage wise.


Either he is bugged, which is possible or you guys that say you dont use the KD have not been telling us the truth.


You shouldnt have to be buffed to infinity or use high level armor to take down a creature that is a white splash. It should at least be a good fight. However when the same beast beats you 3 times and only loses half his strength, something is very wrong.




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bohunker
Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:01 pm
#15

Yes, X_Silversurfer, you have failed us. The only guy I can see supporting you is an idiot named "GUNMAN21". The irony of a "GUNMAN" even posting on the pikeman site is hilarious.I might be overstepping myself, but I believe most Pikemen want to bepure Melees. We don't want to be Pikeman/CreatureHandlers or Pikeman/Marksman. We want to be the guythat goes in and tanks.We don't want a F%^#^ing Womp Rat pet to tank for us!!! We don't want to fire at the guy from a distance and then pull out thelance when it gets close. I don'tunderstand how EQ got it right while this game has no clue. And look, I don't want us to be uber-killing machines. I just want us to be something more than a speed bump. -----Bohunker
Rango
Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:42 pm
#16






Gunman21 wrote:

Sorry you feel that way rango. I have no problem soloing a majority of things now, including my 5k faction missions.


If you feel you are not getting the most of the class, please put some armor on. Ubese is good, but I wear composite. And then take up medicfor the stims, it's only 15 sp and a few k for a crate of stims. Tatooine sunburns are your friend, you get a few minutes where action moves cost next to nothing, and with crates fixed for chefs, finding one should be easy. Muon Gold spice works wonders for your mind, but please try not to puke everywhere. Cowardly Gurreks are the best no-creature handler pet, and sell for relatively cheap.Stormtroopers/Specforce faction pets give you help to prevent kiting and allow you to take on some of those tougher missions. And of course, the number one way to minimize deaths on missions: Group with your friends.


^those things will help you. As will trying out each and every single attack/special ability you have to see what else there is in our class. Our class is pikeman, not "Polearm Sweep 1"






Omg dude i am amaster medic i use stimp d's the very good ones..and i use my grand wrix because i am a creature handler. And still not even close to the 5k missions......and yes i have crates of taooine sunburns that increase strenght and stamina by 1500 yes im not a newb i now most of thet tricks. and btw im 4-3-4-3 not some rookie who just uses sweep 1. And i shouldnt have to groupo with a bunch of friends to complete the missions the other melee class peeps at my lvl dont..My friend who is a fencer made 400k doing missions in 4 hrs alone without a creature. So I dont know who you think your kidding. If your on Bria then i want to see you in action....Cause obviously youknow something i dont.
Rango
Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:44 pm
#17






Gunman21 wrote:

Sorry you feel that way rango. I have no problem soloing a majority of things now, including my 5k faction missions.


If you feel you are not getting the most of the class, please put some armor on. Ubese is good, but I wear composite. And then take up medicfor the stims, it's only 15 sp and a few k for a crate of stims. Tatooine sunburns are your friend, you get a few minutes where action moves cost next to nothing, and with crates fixed for chefs, finding one should be easy. Muon Gold spice works wonders for your mind, but please try not to puke everywhere. Cowardly Gurreks are the best no-creature handler pet, and sell for relatively cheap.Stormtroopers/Specforce faction pets give you help to prevent kiting and allow you to take on some of those tougher missions. And of course, the number one way to minimize deaths on missions: Group with your friends.


^those things will help you. As will trying out each and every single attack/special ability you have to see what else there is in our class. Our class is pikeman, not "Polearm Sweep 1"






Omg dude i am amaster medic i use stimp d's the very good ones..and i use my grand wrix because i am a creature handler. And still not even close to the 5k missions......and yes i have crates of tatooine sunburns that increase strength and stamina by 1500 yes im not a newb i now most of thet tricks. and btw im 4-3-4-3 not some rookie who just uses sweep 1. And i shouldnt have to group with a bunch of friends to complete the missions the other melee class peeps at my lvl dont..My friend who is a fencer made 400k doing missions in 4 hrs alone without a creature. So I dont know who you think your kidding. If your on Bria then i want to see you in action....Cause obviously youknow something i dont.
UnseenForce
Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:00 pm
#18

I have to agree with Rango on the part where he says that the kd timer has "decreased the effectiveness of our class by at least 50%." And I can also relate to his frustration with this. However, I fell he has no right attacking our correspondent, who I believe has done a real nice job however (I don't think I could ever sort through all those posts on this forum... too much crap to sift through ). Really, I don't agree with anyone when they dileberately look for someone to blame even when they find someone who rightfully deserves it. I find doing just that as an act of immaturaty (and I'm 15) and it really provides no positive results for the flamer or the one being flamed.


Keep up the good work, SilverSurfer. You are doing a better job, I'm sure, than most of us here could ever do. We all know the problem here, anyways: THE DEVS lol.




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Master of the Art of Tera Kasi

and Master of the Brawling Profession



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Cyborg-Shoryuken
Mon Sep 08, 2003 12:17 am
#19

Everyones arguing back and forth about how "necessary the KD was" or about how "I never really used it" or "it's not that important and you shouldn't really need it anyway."


The fact is whether someone was overly dependent on it or not the KD is quite bluntly Useless now, so why are the devs even keeping the pretense of having that skill on the skill tree? We all know it doesn't work at all anymore, and what I mean by does not work (before someone misunderstands me) is that even if you do manage to sweep someone with it, it provides you with no advantage, no reason for attempting to do it at all and risk taking a dirt nap for even trying.


So please, let's hear people start commenting on that. I'm tired of hearing this argument on whether someone really needed this move or that someone else is too pridefull to rely on it. Let's start commenting on how much sense it makes to just make the skill useless instead of removing it or replacing it completely with something else.





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Ipree_Keamym
Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:13 am
#20

Here's the deal with armor, you can be in a full suit and still 40% of the time hits go right through and manage to hit the flesh causing insane damage now. I never used to wear armor pre patch, and I'm master pike. Now, no armor is either suicide or realy bored, in either case I still don't like to have to wear armor all the time. I never had to before, and it's still majorly broken.



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Morath360
Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:38 am
#21

Unseen force if you read carefully you will see that Rango is not trying to blame Silver for the woes of the Dev's crippling the pikeman. What he is simply stating is that pretty much at every turn as concerns the KD Silver has taken the other side. He has acted like it is not needed and that he does just peachy without it. Ive read a lot on these boards and seen with my own eyes how crippled your profession has become. It is apparent that Silver does not see this or just minimizes it. Thats all. Besides as has been stated on other boards, the reps can't do squat anyway.



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"In space all warriors are cold warriors.."


Morath {WRATH} MBH MD
Kahless {WRATH} Light Jedi Knight
rversaw
Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:48 am
#22

people are looking at this wrong. it shouldnt be about what you could kill before, and what you can kill now. look at the actual con of the creature or NPC, and then decide if youre about as effective as you should be.






EVALUATING ENEMIES
Whenever you target a creature, NPC or another player, you will see a small starburst icon next to the target' s onscreen HAM bars. This icon is color-coded to let you know if the target is too easy or too difficult for you to defeat in combat, as follows:



  • Green: Well below your skill level, and very easy to defeat. You' ll receive very small XP rewards for targets that Con green for you.
  • Blue: Slightly below your skill level. Blue targets will put up a fight, but you should win nearly all of these battles. But be warned: if you take on two or three Blue targets, you could find yourself in serious trouble.
  • White: Equal to your relative toughness. Defeating such a target will be difficult and may be impossible if you rely on auto-attack. However, defeating enemies that Con white for you provide larger XP rewards.
  • Yellow: Slightly above your skill level. You should avoid such fights unless you have superior weaponry, incredible tactics, a supply of healing devices (stimpacks) , or a few friends nearby.
  • Red: Well above your skill level. Red targets are incredibly dangerous and will almost always defeat (and most likely kill) you, unless you' re part of a much larger and more powerful group.

You can gain more detailed information about your target's relative strength by typing /con in the Chat Input bar.







so, if you are having trouble killing 2-3 white cons at once, then the system is working as intended, isnt it? one white con against you shouldnt be too bad, butyou should rarely ba able to kill a yellow, and never be able to solo a red.

OutbackWookiee
Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:11 am
#23

Thank you for the lesson in evaluating ememies. I'm sure most people who have played the game up to the higher pikeman levels had no idea what those little coloured thingies beside the enemy's name was. I'm glad that there was someone out there like you to educate and inform the lot of us who had no clue.


Get a grip dumba++ we all know the con system very well. The problems are not with people complaining about not being able to solo a con red opponent or even a group of con white foes. The problem is that now we pikeman are having troubles fighting ONE con white opponent or even TWO con blue opponents at the same time.


Read some posts and understand the issues at hand before opening up your pie-hole and trying to tell the world things are as they should be. Its low-foreheads like you that make things tough for the rest of us.





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Pirita
Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:45 am
#24

Hmm, with all the changes done to the Pikeman profession I think that Darth Maul could of never taken Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui Gon Jinn. They are taking too much away from melee and adding too much to blasters. All I want to see is fairness on Professions, stop the BIAS crap already and the one that is supposed to represent us in front of the Devs please try to listen and analize what we are trying to tell you. Try to think outside of the box for once.
Rango
Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:15 am
#25






Legwand wrote:

Thank you for the lesson in evaluating ememies. I'm sure most people who have played the game up to the higher pikeman levels had no idea what those little coloured thingies beside the enemy's name was. I'm glad that there was someone out there like you to educate and inform the lot of us who had no clue.


Get a grip dumba++ we all know the con system very well. The problems are not with people complaining about not being able to solo a con red opponent or even a group of con white foes. The problem is that now we pikeman are having troubles fighting ONE con white opponent or even TWO con blue opponents at the same time.


Read some posts and understand the issues at hand before opening up your pie-hole and trying to tell the world things are as they should be. Its low-foreheads like you that make things tough for the rest of us.







Agree!!!!!!
Rango
Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:17 am
#26






Pirita wrote:
Hmm, with all the changes done to the Pikeman profession I think that Darth Maul could of never taken Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui Gon Jinn. They are taking too much away from melee and adding too much to blasters. All I want to see is fairness on Professions, stop the BIAS crap already and the one that is supposed to represent us in front of the Devs please try to listen and analize what we are trying to tell you. Try to think outside of the box for once.




Agree with this too........lol
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