Pikeman Archive
Thread: Pikeman truly sucks in PvP!
annelid0
Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:45 am
#27
Myst_Shade wrote:i used poison to keep him worried aout something wile nglecting the other.....
This is the single best reason to use poison I've ever heard. As psychological warfare it's great, only when it becomes the main damage-dealer does it really get problematic. Using poison to supplement pikeman skills and not pikeman skills to supplement poison.
Indeed the pikeman did win your fight. Kudos to you.
Sithsuck
Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:51 am
#28
Bib-Fortuna wrote:
Yeah, but in the 10 or so seconds before the DB we look pretty damn cool!
Not me.... and YOU KNOW IT
AgekVahoba
Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:25 pm
#29
**edit** you guys talking aobut? Pikeman is good in PvP if you know how to use it. Sure you have to use different' profs ALONG with it. Pike is the shiz cause you use your disease, poison, then fire..
You are forever banned from these forums by saying that the thing Pikeman are irked about the most ("relying on rare loot drops to be decent in PvP") is what makes us great..... GRRR!
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Combat_Medic_to_be
Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:46 am
#30
I agree completely with the arguement that people should not complain about pikeman when it can be good if you learn to use the skills you are given BUT when other combat profs dont need to do that its just supidly unbalanced AND when half the specials in the skill tree are esentially the same and broken and relying on rare loots to do anything PvP THEN you have an arguement to say pikeman is **edit**ed.
Now im not master pikeman, im mainly going on what other people say but I am going to master it, and keep it. I'm at polearms 2, half way through 3. What I'd like to see is the broken specials fixed. Being forced to stand up if a pikeman KDs you, what a joke. And the pointless specials being replaced with something useful.
I like the specials pikeman has, well the good ones, but others are needed so that there is a nice variety at a pikemans disposal. This should happen for ALL combat classes.
Pikeman needs:
Defenses to be raised so they CAN tank like the devs want them too (higher than all other combat classes0
Specials Fixed
New, decent, CRAFTABLE weapons
I dont want to be uber 1 on 1 as a pikeman. 80% of a pikemans specials should be area attacks. They should do little damage on a single target but combined damage on multiple targets should be more quite a bit more than any other class can do to a single target.
Solo a pikeman should get beaten by all (assuming both players are equally skilled as players)
If a pikeman is in a group with soem other masters of other combat profs that group should own. The pikeman should tank whilst KD, dizzy, stun etc. then dealing smaller damage to multiple targets.
Shakaeq
Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:33 pm
#31
I don't feel the specials are broken really. area2 is awesome, sweep2 is awesome, spin2 is nice, hit3 hits nice and posture downs(that is the reason it will pop someone back up.) I have Blurrg hunters do it to me all the time. It's funny. 
I do hate the fact that brawlers can use our DOT lances. Seems everytime someone wants to duel they dot ya up and think its funny. Typical senario is "anyone want a friendly duel?" Friendly my a*s. In those I only use poison so I dont wound anyone. Wish they would extend the curtisy. /shrug
AgekVahoba
Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:36 pm
#32
I dont want to be uber 1 on 1 as a pikeman. 80% of a pikemans specials should be area attacks. They should do little damage on a single target but combined damage on multiple targets should be more quite a bit more than any other class can do to a single target.
You were starting to tick me off, than I got to that part. ***** for joo
Indomatic
Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:44 pm
#33
The main problem is armor resistances and buffs. Pike targets the action primarily, an easily healable pool and the easiest to increase. The other mele professions either can target the mind (tka, swordsman), or have a bugged attack combined with stun damage (scatter & stun baton).
Shakaeq
Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:21 pm
#34
I don't mind the action target persay, but I think Leg3 is very weak compared to Swordsman head3 and rifle head3.
It seems it may be a lesser multiplier. It seems to miss more too. I usually use hit3, except on really high stuff.
asgoia
Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:59 am
#36
I dunno, I think Pikeman can be good in pvpif played correctly. I mean I'm not good now but I'm definatly getting alot better. I've been changing macros around and getting different kinds of Dots to test out whats best and I think we could be OK. At least as good as pistoleer/bh. So far I think Action pikes with high str with random action hits work really nice. If your lucky you can bring down like 2 or 3k Action in a good 12-30 seconds before they finish your 1k mind off ha. ( I usually get my mind set up to 3k befor I do any kind of fighting though.).
ALLEYSPADE
Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:23 am
#37
Ok I had written a large elaborate post explaining why pikemen are not currently made for pvp but it didn't post so i'll keep this short, for everyone who is not a pikeman leave because u don't know what the he!! u are talking about.
To be good in pvp requires planning that's all but in the end this game chooses the winner in confrontations by numbers, and no one here can honestly say that a Master pikeman versus any other of the melee professions can have a balanced fight if both people know what they are doing, give me a break we have the lowest defense our special protection block still let's half the damage go trough and our accuracy is horrible if we miss we don't have the poweror speed to make up for it.
We can improve our speed and accuracy but that'll just make us barely on par with the other melee profs meanwhile they do the same and only get stronger.
I'm done whinning about these things and just decided to wait for the balance but I honestly believe the dev's do not play the game much and if they ever did read the boards they'd see some people saying we are not that bad off and leave us the same which scares me. Pikemen are good with looted pikes and stacking but we should not need these to be GOOD when other's can do it to get BETTER.
Dynastar
Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:44 am
#39
Plain and simple, if you don't have DoT weapons as a Pikeman, you're going to get pasted 9 out of 10 times.