Pikeman Archive

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StGabriel wrote:
*sigh*

I think this was a very interesting thread and analysis. I was in no way trying to stifle you. I was simply trying to give some suggestions.

I've been playing around with DPS numbers and stuff for a long time. I play a WS/AS as well as most of the melee profs primarily so I can know all the nitty-gritty details of how this works. I was just trying to give you some info to try to help not hinder.

StGabe.

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Look your 'facts' & 'research' come off about as trustworthy as the researchers that work for tobacco companies. I mean look around you there are almost as many Swordsmen as there are TKA's which is about 50 to 1 of Pikemen. THERE IS A REASON! Swordsmen are able to solo huge stuff, we can't even try unless we are also TKA/some other tricked out template.

I'm glad that you feel that Swordsmen have it soooooo bad. Why don't you go over to the TKA forums and explain how they are overpowered ok? That would be at least honest. Have a nice day.

/addignore StGabriel

Padre

I thought I had used valid, normal stats for the weapons. I'll check around again and redo everything if I find more acceptable numbers. The results will still be pretty much the same. TKA will have the best dps by far in all cases, even against 80% kinetic armor, unlike their constant claims.

antares
master pikeman

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PadreBook wrote:

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antares_Kauri wrote:
I thought I had used valid, normal stats for the weapons. I'll check around again and redo everything if I find more acceptable numbers. The results will still be pretty much the same. TKA will have the best dps by far in all cases, even against 80% kinetic armor, unlike their constant claims.

antares
master pikeman

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Yes, I even had a TKA friend (real life friend so I know the data is reliable) see how much damage he does against 100% mobs and guess what it's above 0. That's a little suspect in terms of game design.

I'll post some of the best weapon stats from my server on here of just normal weapons. I checked against other servers and we have some of the highest quality normal non-enhanced weapons (in some categories) on any server. So that *should* satisfy the tabacco scientist.

Padre

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Yep .... I saw 2 TKMskilling an Elder .. with only VKs ... it took 2 hours lol ... but they managed to do it ...

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ScDarkKnight wrote:

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PadreBook wrote:

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antares_Kauri wrote:
I thought I had used valid, normal stats for the weapons. I'll check around again and redo everything if I find more acceptable numbers. The results will still be pretty much the same. TKA will have the best dps by far in all cases, even against 80% kinetic armor, unlike their constant claims.

antares
master pikeman

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Yes, I even had a TKA friend (real life friend so I know the data is reliable) see how much damage he does against 100% mobs and guess what it's above 0. That's a little suspect in terms of game design.

I'll post some of the best weapon stats from my server on here of just normal weapons. I checked against other servers and we have some of the highest quality normal non-enhanced weapons (in some categories) on any server. So that *should* satisfy the tabacco scientist.

Padre

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Yep .... I saw 2 TKMskilling an Elder .. with only VKs ... it took 2 hours lol ... but they managed to do it ...

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Now I wonder, do we OR other melee professions (have to say that so as not to appear too uber leet) have the ability to do damage without bleeds/DoT's to 100% kinetic resist mobs with only a kinetic weapon? That's a real question, because if we can't but TKA's can then I have a real problem with that.

Padre

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PadreBook wrote:

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ScDarkKnight wrote:

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PadreBook wrote:

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antares_Kauri wrote:
I thought I had used valid, normal stats for the weapons. I'll check around again and redo everything if I find more acceptable numbers. The results will still be pretty much the same. TKA will have the best dps by far in all cases, even against 80% kinetic armor, unlike their constant claims.

antares
master pikeman

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Yes, I even had a TKA friend (real life friend so I know the data is reliable) see how much damage he does against 100% mobs and guess what it's above 0. That's a little suspect in terms of game design.

I'll post some of the best weapon stats from my server on here of just normal weapons. I checked against other servers and we have some of the highest quality normal non-enhanced weapons (in some categories) on any server. So that *should* satisfy the tabacco scientist.

Padre

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Yep .... I saw 2 TKMskilling an Elder .. with only VKs ... it took 2 hours lol ... but they managed to do it ...

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Now I wonder, do we OR other melee professions (have to say that so as not to appear too uber leet) have the ability to do damage without bleeds/DoT's to 100% kinetic resist mobs with only a kinetic weapon? That's a real question, because if we can't but TKA's can then I have a real problem with that.

Padre

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I tried myself on a 100% Kin mob (But it wasn't an Elder was a Janta I think) and I wasn't doing anything to him ....

So maybe Elders don't really have 100% Kinetics ... or maybe the 250 unarmed damage isn't kinetic or some crap like that ...

Antares and others you think you could test that 100% kinetic resist damage penetration with the LVA, VK, Gaffi, Scythe? Might try a Peko Peko Albatross too they have 100% kinetic. Because if that's the case we may be on to something.

Padre

it'd be easier to find an elder than a pekp peko albatross.

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ArkMindSpear wrote:
it'd be easier to find an elder than a pekp peko albatross.

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Well either way. There might be some hidden features that are affecting damage output and penetration. We need to know.

Padre

True dat.

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Chrysahor wrote:

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Dynastar wrote:

For the case of the LVA, Scythe and other medium armor weapons, I thought since they had a higher AR value than the PSG, the PSG didn't count into the damage equation?

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If it was the case no one will bother with armor, even composite beside in exceptionnal situations (star wars feeling anyone?).
An higher AP (Armor Piercing) than AR (Armor Rating) just give you 25% additional damages (and actually, there is a bug...you don't get this bonus if your target is vulnerable to your damage type -all toons are vulnerable to each damage types).
AP medium against AR none give you the bonus twice. If AR is greater, each time you get -50% to your damages.
Then resists come to play. With a lance (AP none) against a 80% composite, your damage will be at -50% (AP none vs AR none) then -80% (kinetic resist). With a LVA against the same composite: +25% (AP medium vs AR light) then -80% resist. Stun go litteraly throught your composite if stun is its vulnerability (Jawa ion, even with AP light don't get +25 since toons don't have any stun resist).
If you have let's say 50% stun layer:

Jawa ion: nothing (AP light vs AR light) and -50% (compo stun resist)
geo blaster/stun baton: -50% (AP none vs AR light) and -50% (compo stun resist)

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