Pikeman Archive
Thread: PvP DPS
hello again stgabe. I'll just be staying out of the forums from now on I think.
I chose the scythe values as an average of many stats I saw listed on the swordsmen board, low and high ( there were some much higher ). I was not in any way trying to skew the results. The stats on the LVA/VL are what I almost always see on vendors. Sorry if I didn't consult your super-experimentation weaponsmith on how to make horrible power hammers and amazing LVAs. Get off my case - I'm not exaggerating numbers or purposely skewing ANYTHING! I used common numbers that I see on vendors and boards.
antares
master pikeman
I think this was a very interesting thread and analysis. I was in no way trying to stifle you. I was simply trying to give some suggestions.
I've been playing around with DPS numbers and stuff for a long time. I play a WS/AS as well as most of the melee profs primarily so I can know all the nitty-gritty details of how this works. I was just trying to give you some info to try to help not hinder.
StGabe.
antares
master pikeman
For what it's worth, indeed the RK stats there are on the high-side. I made a few more today (some TC'ers got lucky with Axkva yesterday) and the Vibro Units were not nearly as good.
Actually I don't see why I would use this against Pikemen. Heck, I devoted quite a large paragraph in my post to discussing the large problems created by the TKA damage bonus. If anything I think you should accuse me of being anti-TKA.
Pointing out that the RK could be poorer presumably makes TKA's look worse and Pikemen relatively better.StGabe.
StGabriel wrote:
Pointing out that the RK could be poorer presumably makes TKA's look worse and Pikemen relatively better.
StGabe.
Which is why you avoided that point and instead focused on how you thought all the swordsman weapons were much worse and the pikes much better.
antares
master pikeman
I've always been drawn like a moth to flame when it comes to detailed number-crunching posts about the combat system. I'm drawn not because I wish to bash any side of the equation but because I'm truly passionate and interested in discussing these things. I also feel that over the past many months of doing my own analysis and keying in on those of others I've learned a lot about these systems.
I'm really only trying to help. If I were being so one-sided would I point out that I think that the VL delay you used is too fast (by rather a lot I think but maybe I'm wrong)? Presumably the VL is your best weapon in this situation and I'm saying . . . well, maybe not so good as you make it out to be.
StGabe.
By quoting my results as a weaponsmith who has collected very good resources???
You can come on to TC and I will show you the resources I use and the weapons I make. Heck, I'll even make a Scythe for you.
I never claimed you maliciously altered stats to present a better story. I never even thought you did. I simply happen to have a lot of experience making almost all of these weapons and provided you with some numbers from that.
Anyway . . . . bedtime.
StGabe.
Also....
if we are bitching about the rarely made weapons with good great stats....
and if we are trying to keep those from factoring in to the equasion.....then why do those rare uber weapons factor in?
I mean...exceptional and legendary polearms drop about as frequintly as exceptional or legendary anything, right?
So then it's just the rare rare rare rare rare high end damage and the occasional good bleed.....
If we arn't going to count high end weapons, we can't count the loots...
can we?
antares
master pikeman
The highest damage crafted LVA I've ever seen is 492 max damage.. I have one. Next past that is one by Tinuviel that maxed out at 460. Yea, they're high, but they're also exceptionally crafted, with bloody fantastic slices. And delay below 2.9? HAHAHAHAHA You're a funny guy, Gabe..
I was sticking up for you before, but you do seem to be preaching for swordsmen in the pikeman forums.. Antares is one of the hardest working members of our community, and has researched more numbers than I'd have the stomach to look at. He's tested and tested, and for god's sake, he had a great set of numbers posted. Thanks forinterfering so he'd take it down...
"Sadly I imagine I will wake to a bunch of one-stars"
Why disappoint?
I'm not going to say you hate Pikemen... but I'm starting to believe that you're pushing the Swordsman agenda in other forums...
Just for reference, with a 35% slice, the LVA's I'll soon be crafting will hit 508.
Daros wrote:
The highest damage crafted LVA I've ever seen is 492 max damage.. I have one. Next past that is one by Tinuviel that maxed out at 460. Yea, they're high, but they're also exceptionally crafted, with bloody fantastic slices. And delay below 2.9? HAHAHAHAHA You're a funny guy, Gabe..
antares_Kauri wrote:
You neglected to mention that the stats for the RK were from using near perfect resources as well, eventhough you yourself made that weapon, because you are only interested in making pikeman look so much better than swordsman, which you only downgrade in every possible way. I should have just made swordsman dps 0. It was already lower than pikeman's.
antares
master pikeman
Woah now, I didn't check here in the evening and I already missed this comparison that you did. Could you send me some details in PM's? Please Antares.
Oh and StGabriel I'm glad you are concerned about how uber we are. You know you are straight up working on pissing everyone of us off, because clearly you want to show just how bad Swordsman have it. Please! Let's switch developers, you can have boy wonder Keldarin and we'll take the janitor and we'll do better.
Padre