Pikeman Archive
Thread: I think Pikeman should get a Heavy AP weapon
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C-H-U-D
Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:45 am
#27
actually, ALL DOT DAMAGE is calculated into loot rights, that one was fixed a while ago... and the flamethrower doesn't need AP, there is nothing that wil soften the blow of the DOT except death, water, or a doc. and 500 dmg scatter needed to outdamage rifleman? i don't think so buddy... having been all the professions that are being compared here, (commando, swords, bounty hunter etc.) i can tell you that yeah, a commando does need to be in range with a flamethrower to outdamage a rifleman, not with a rocket launcher, a well made, beautifully sliced rocket launcher can hit 6.5 speed and over 3000 max damage, calculate in the fact that all armor that may have blast protection is light or none and that the HRL is AP3 = @9k damage per hit PVE...maybe @3k in PVP, max range of 35 meters ( it says 30, but 35 -37 is doable). let's talk about BH... a BH can pop a rifleman with any half way decent scatter from 64-67m and still stick a DOT, and factored in with a much faster speed than any (non-double sliced) rifle and a 200-300 max damage, yeah, BH still wins that one. but arguing here is stupid, my point still stands, if you think rifleman is so much better than pike, go rifleman, and for ****'s sake quit your whining about how underpowered you are, when rifleman is overpowered...DO I NOT SEE A SOLUTION HERE???? GO RIFLEMAN, DROP YOUR PIKE SKILLS, AND GO DO FREAKING RIFLEMAN!!!
no further replies from me on this thread, not worth the effort
C-H-U-D
Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:53 am
#28
scratch that last comment, THIS will be the last reply...you are upset that some professions massively outdamage others....THAT'S THE FRIGGIN POINT!!! let's say there was anyt speculation of reality in this game, and i play the role of the tkm...got my little VK's and everything, a guy with a flame thrower comes up to me and i punch him...he proceeds to douse me with flaming napalm, who gets hurt more? even further, okay, i smack a dude in the knee with a lance, he pulls out (no LLC in real life but let's just say there is)...so he pulls out an LLC and shoots a bolt of lightning up my arse, you think that getting hit in the knee with a metal stick is gonna hurt more or as much as a bolt of lightning? let's not forget the entertainers...i don't here the master dancers b***hing and moaning about how they can't solo an AT-ST as fast as most other professions (well, there was that one guy at fan fest...) damage variations between professions is what makes professions worth having, if it weren't for that, then hell, let's all just have the same exact skills and pick a weapon out of a basket...
Rocacca
Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:32 am
#29
DOT damage is not counted in loot rights, one time I was facing ONE master rifleman on an Ancient Krayt dragon when I was Master commando.
He was using headshot3 and I was burning his health. It died from the health pool and had Over half health wounds whereas the rifleman took away about 8% of its mind bar and he still won and got a pearl.
Remember, this **edit** has 95% resists, heavy armor and 500k ham. I did 500k worth of DOT damage and the rifleman did about 10k and he still won...
Ashurei
Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:44 pm
#30
Rocacca wrote:DOT damage is not counted in loot rights, one time I was facing ONE master rifleman on an Ancient Krayt dragon when I was Master commando.He was using headshot3 and I was burning his health. It died from the health pool and had Over half health wounds whereas the rifleman took away about 8% of its mind bar and he still won and got a pearl.Remember, this **edit** has 95% resists, heavy armor and 500k ham. I did 500k worth of DOT damage and the rifleman did about 10k and he still won...
Aye, I swore the Fire dot is not counted but he said that it was fixed a little while ago so I thought it was something that happened recently, which is why I didnt comment.
I highly doubt a rocket launcher can do 3k damage in pvp, bear in mind that buffs are 2.5k max on my server without the use of janta and most ppl will put their stats in the mind pool that will be 3-3.5k ham, if a commando did 3k damage that mean that they just need to hit twice which is not the case.
Anyway this thread is about being the highest dmg dealer MELEE class, NOT ranged.
It was said somewhere (not sure on this thread or not) it was origally planned that
fencer: fastest, most defence, crap damage
swords: medium speed, medium defence, medium dmg,
poles: Slowest, lest defence, highest dmg
if fencer has ap1 weapons, swords has ap2, why doesnt poles have ap3. Especially when the nsel is atm harder to get then a set of ris armour, its little to as that the nsel have ap3
*btw im dont play pike (just giving my opinon) so i aint being biased, my pve char is rifle/swords
HurriwanShinobi
Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:43 pm
#32
C-H-U-D wrote:
rilemen do more DPS than any other profession in the game? since when, lol. there's this profession out there, you mah have heard of it, it's called commando. as a commando, you can hit for much more damage per hit at about the same speed as a rifleman, and that attack even hits a -200/tick (pve, it's like -500 in pve) dot, and even with that, there are 4 attacks that have this DOT, all of which can be stacked...take a fully speed capped rifleman and put him up against a commando with a 2.8 FT and see who does more damage faster, and let's not forget the heavy rocket launcher, if a commando can get one at 9.7 speed or better, he can wipe alot of players out in 1-2 hits.oh wait, let's not leave out the speed capped BOUNTY HUNTER!!! that can eye/torso shot the crap out of you in very little time. and no, i'm not saying commando or BH ouht to be nerfed, and i'm obviousely not saying riflemen ought to be nerfed. i'm saying some professions should do more damage than others (granted i believe pike ought to be one of those professions for melee class combat) all i'm trying to say is grow up and stop crying nerf! if you're so damn upset with pikeman, then chances are you don't have the intellectual capacity to handle the concept of strategy, so go ahead and hit Ctrl+S and drop all your pikeman skills and go be a rifleman if you think they are so great, while you're at it, since you can't seem to grasp the concept of strategy, go ahead and do combat medic too so you can use that good old mindless "mind poison/mind disease/advanced strafe shot" combo that folks that can't really think of anything better to do use. in short, you think pikeman sucks so bad and (insert profession here) is so great, DROP PIKEMAN FOR (insert profession here) and quit your whining!!!!!!! and bumbofett, come on now, grammer buddy, "To those that one stared me"?!?!?! dammit man what the hell are you trying to say?!
u should really go and do both proffessions at the same time.
Then get normal crafted weapons. And then chill out. Then try killing things like krayts, acklay etc and then u will revise ur statements.
ZomKalla
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:36 pm
#33
We should get that as a weapon, but it shouldn't be AP3. When the Combat Revamp comes and we become slow, it should be AP1 and very fast.
bsenff
Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:45 am
#34
Gonatsu wrote:
Bh234312 wrote:
- No cool benefits like TKA meditation
STOP COMPARING US TO TKM!! You act like there the god's of swg. I can duel any tkm with my 478 lva or 339 Vl and win! Do you want to know why? There predictable like every other FOTM proffession. What happened to using tactics to play a fighting game instead of using three base attacks and winning duels? I swear the combat is so screwed up right now its not even funny. Also you ask how I beat a tkm? Not hard, most tkm's are all the same: /duel kd/dizzy , unarmed head hit or spam unarmed 3 till there blue in the face. Just get you a nice high kin (and stun most tkm's are rifle) helm and chest and watch the tkm's kill thereselves spamming. Then i get up intimidate, bleed , dizzy , stun ,and go to work on them eventually win the duel.
If thats all you have to do to beat a TKM than Brias TkMs suck.
And on topic. Pikeman do need some kind of armor peircing. I agree with those that say VL ap2 and NSEL ap 2 or 3.
Hate to say it, but I beat TKMs every time just the same way... their VKs cant ddo anythign against a good suit of resist sliced comp... which is the EXACT same reason why the LVA or (I HOPE) the NSEL needs upgraded... Currently we have three damage types, two of which are quite unique to melee, but we have at most AP2... just doesnt cut it.
McFlyGuy
Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:32 pm
#35
I believe pikeman should be the most damaging of all melee classes. Look at the description. It says the most damaging not one of the most deadly etc. A LVA type weapon shouldn't have heavy. But a Giant Pike is made for the sole purpose of piercing armor. I'm sure i'd be hard to weild aswell so put it at master or something.
Phil15304
Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:51 pm
#36
OK all those who say pikeman need and AP3 lance are corect ok ok so swordsman has a long ass hammer and they do alot of a damage but our weapon is a 6 foot pole with a 1 foot blade on the end that should do massive damage honnestly our speed is awful I agree and I have a VL that is sliced at 2,2 speed and its STILL SLOW AS **edit**!!!!!!! its awful and yes I will compare us to tka cuz they have all the advantages a power boost and like the best speed in the game (caps at 115 I think) and pike gets what 70 for all those who can count thats a 45 speed difference boys and girls thats alot we need an AP3 lance badly something like oh I dunno
2,5 attack speed
300 min
2,5 attack speed
300 min
700 max
and good accurazy
and good accurazy
yahI dunno about u folks but that sounds SWEET to my ears if the devs make this happen (and I pray they will) no 1 will ever complain about pikeman mods again I garantee
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